Forum: F-16 Procedures

Probably one of the dumbest things I'd ever seen: Down at MacDill back in the late 80's I had a bad 'Delta P' indicator on a wheel well hydraulic filter - no problem, just get one from supply...

No, none on base - or anywhere else apparently - the part MICAP'ed from Kunsan. No big deal, we got lots of parts from far away, but on the indicator itself was the manufacturers name and address, in Pinellas Park, Fl.

If I'd been standing at EOR and looked across the Bay, I could have seen Pinellas Park! Supply had each part at something like $2 (a lot less than the shipping from Korea) but I was told that there was "No way..." I was going to drive over and buy a handful.

A week later the part came all the way from Korea.
Mike

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I was at Kunsan and we would can leading edge flaps from aircraft to aircraft. Had a MSGT there I nicknamed him I CAN BEST. I would call from phase and tell him we had a bad part and the first words out of his mouth was we will cann it. I didn't even call supply yet to see if they had the part I was just letting him know about the bad part.

yeah we did an ADG in Aviano once from the CANN bird...put signs all over it and everything..DONT GET ON THIS AIRCRAFT...then 2 hours later we find some spark chaser on the backbone bouncing all over the place doing whatever he thought was SOOO important to ignore our signs... we even pulled all the stands out of the HAS and moved them like 3 HAS's away...

MechFromHell wrote:

OMG! You mean...Cams was wrong! Who gives a $hit??? Evil or Very Mad

sh*t you're right. Who cares which explosives are on which jet in the fleet? At least until some start to expire and we have to tear about four jets instead of one to figure out which ones to change, but who cares about that. That's no big deal right? I'm sure the pilot wouldn't care if he had to fly a jet knowing half his ejection system might not work.

egressredx wrote:

MechFromHell wrote:

OMG! You mean...Cams was wrong! Who gives a $hit??? Evil or Very Mad

sh*t you're right. Who cares which explosives are on which jet in the fleet? At least until some start to expire and we have to tear about four jets instead of one to figure out which ones to change, but who cares about that. That's no big deal right? I'm sure the pilot wouldn't care if he had to fly a jet knowing half his ejection system might not work.

And that differs from standard procedure how?

For the F-16 world, if your Considering the Top 15 Cann Drivers...its affects about 10% of the fleet collectively so I would say the Cann Rate is down big time....collectively.

akruse21 wrote:

egressredx wrote:

MechFromHell wrote:

OMG! You mean...Cams was wrong! Who gives a $hit??? Evil or Very Mad

sh*t you're right. Who cares which explosives are on which jet in the fleet? At least until some start to expire and we have to tear about four jets instead of one to figure out which ones to change, but who cares about that. That's no big deal right? I'm sure the pilot wouldn't care if he had to fly a jet knowing half his ejection system might not work.

And that differs from standard procedure how?

What are you talking about? It's supposedly "standard procedure" to take actions that will mix up hundreds of different time critical components, possibly leading to unsafe systems on multiple aircraft? When did that become standard f***ing procedure? I'm sure that MX and OP commanders would be thrilled to have three or four of their jets down at once because CAMS configurations do not match and they need to be 100% identified. "Sir, it's standard procedure. Didn't you know?"

Wow...you need to chill the **** out dude. It was a joke. It's not like I haven't been doing this job for 10 years now. Keep up the good work shooter.

Sorry didn't catch it. It's just extremely frustrating that higher ups don't understand that some systems shouldn't be cannibalized. They just want jets green for that one extra sortie no matter what problems arise from cutting corners. Then it's the shops turning the wrenches who take the fall for it. I apologize.

egressredx wrote:

Sorry didn't catch it. It's just extremely frustrating that higher ups don't understand that some systems shouldn't be cannibalized. They just want jets green for that one extra sortie no matter what problems arise from cutting corners. Then it's the shops turning the wrenches who take the fall for it. I apologize.

What needs to happen is to finish the job in CAMS and also make sure all AFTO 95's are moved and corrected as to which jet they are in. The job isn't complete until the paperwork is done.

[quote="BlueFoxGuitar"]Problem here at shaw is that our COSO people do not keep track of the bench stock like they are supposed to. It would make sense to do a inventory once a week and order what needs to be ordered, but thats not what happens. Usually you need a washer or a Ventral screw, but suprize suprize, they do not have them on hand. You order one, and there are none one base, now you have to find one in your scrounge or hopefully someone else has a scrounge that you can plunder through to find what you need.

BlueFoxGuitar, I was cut-trained to supply. Whistle

I ran the Phase Dock Bench Stock among other things, and I can tell you if you order the screw and there is none on base, then it's a sure bet there were none to put in bench stock in the first place. "Bench Stock" items are SUPPOSED Rolling Eyes

to be kept in store on base according to what the average demand on base is. About this time of the year all the funds run really low, so supply orders the highest impact items. From what I hear this whole last year has been like that. It may not be your supply guys, it may be a higher up and more complicated issue than that.

Then again, I haven't known too many supply troops that were all that concerned (or bright for that matter!) Slap

tinedanzer wrote:

BlueFoxGuitar, I was cut-trained to supply. Whistle

I ran the Phase Dock Bench Stock among other things, and I can tell you if you order the screw and there is none on base, then it's a sure bet there were none to put in bench stock in the first place. "Bench Stock" items are SUPPOSED Rolling Eyes

to be kept in store on base according to what the average demand on base is. About this time of the year all the funds run really low, so supply orders the highest impact items. From what I hear this whole last year has been like that. It may not be your supply guys, it may be a higher up and more complicated issue than that.

Then again, I haven't known too many supply troops that were all that concerned (or bright for that matter!) Slap

Well, that's why you keep that 'special' stock of parts in your... Oops, did I type that out loud?

Mike

Just to make it clear, I, of course, in no way endorse the use of, or even the keeping of, 'scrounge' in order to fly sorties when the supply system fails to keep the needed inventory on hand.

i hear ya mike...when i seperated i left my "stash" that I accumulated for 4 years between aviano and cannon to my DCC on our jet...i had at least 15 different ziplock baggies with diffrent screws, fasteners, static dischargers, hubcaps, intake lens assemblies, wingtip lens assemblies, just about anything useful from bench stocks that could be used to better the appearance of your jet.

Looks like Supply has been here

http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item41230.html Laughing

[quote="BlueFoxGuitar"]
Empty Bench Stock is like DD's, if you know its broke, f'n fix it, don't just let it sit there and get worse.

I like this guy...sounds like me Laughing

Stay on top of it ... only way to operate ... fix the little sh*t and it won't generate to big sh*t!!!

Forum: F-16 Procedures

Canning reduced?