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guy@rdaf.dk
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Posted: Nov 10, 2007 - 06:03 PM
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Well, take a look one third down the page of this link:
http://aviationpics.de/military/1999/military.htm
It is even more impressive when done in the air.
A colleague and I tried that in a SAAB T-17 trainer aircraft but that was on the ground during taxi. It is actually really difficult to undress inside a small cockpit.
Funny thing was when the crewcheif wanted to know what the greasy spot on the inside of the canopy was. He laughed so hard that he nearly chocked when we told him that it was the sweaty impression of a butt crack.....
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Posted: Nov 10, 2007 - 06:32 PM
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guy@rdaf.dk wrote:
Well, take a look one third down the page of this link:
http://aviationpics.de/military/1999/military.htm
It is even more impressive when done in the air.
A colleague and I tried that in a SAAB T-17 trainer aircraft but that was on the ground during taxi. It is actually really difficult to undress inside a small cockpit.
Funny thing was when the crewcheif wanted to know what the greasy spot on the inside of the canopy was. He laughed so hard that he nearly chocked when we told him that it was the sweaty impression of a butt crack.....
Guy
I think the airmen on the flight line, and every one that went along with the prank should be punished. I think the nude airmen on the flight line should be moderately discipline (possible discharge and short sentence) and the others that were complicit should get a slight discipline (slap on the wrist) (such as cleaning grease/sewage pits manually).
This type of behavior reflects badly on the military and the US. If it was at a dorm and never went public, it wouldn't be such a big deal; however on-the-job/on the flight line is a serious problem.
It can be even more serious when stupid pranks like this go very wrong and even can become deadly.
In case you wonder why I take such things so seriously.
Allegedly. (I don't know if the story is true or not)
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Two Navy fighter pilots and a navigator together on a plane removed their clothes, helmets and oxygen masks and attempted to moon another plane's crew. They passed out and the plane crashed, killing them.
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Navy spokesman Cmdr. Stephen Pietropaoli said it would be impossible, given the space constraints in the cockpit, for the pilots to have removed their flight suits. An autopsy report said the pilots were recovered fully clothed, he said.
If the autopsy was correct, the claims were false. However I disagree with the claims that it is not possible to disrobe and moon in the confines of a cockpit. I think it is reckless to disrobe, though it is not impossible.
Source with more information. (Source sounds vindictively biased and anti-military, however there might be some truth to the story)
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pi ... 240326.htm
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"Moon Over the Pacific"
This photograph was taken in the late 70's on a mid-winter flight from xxxx, Okinawa to the states for delivery of the RF-4C to a periodic maintenance facility in California.
The aircrew was from xxxx AFB, Texas and was routinely "treated" to this good deal TDY. The formation consisted of one KC-135 tanker and two RF-4C's from the xxxx "Recce" outfit.
Sometime after the fifth or sixth in-flight refueling, the normal boredom began to set in and to keep occupied the Phantom crews talked to the crew members of the tanker Aircraft on the HF radio just to chit-chat. During the conversation it was revealed that the tanker had some additional passengers on board, which included a flight nurse that was catching a hop back to the states. The nurse was then invited onto the flight deck, and talked to the crews of the F-4s and instantly became quite good friends with the pilot of #xxxx.
It was during the next refueling, when after #xxx had "hooked-up" and began taking fuel, that the boom operator suddenly went out of view, and was replaced by a totally naked flight nurse, that then pressed her breasts against the refueling window. The pilot of #xxx almost had an emergency "break-away", but hung in there and took the full off-load.
Following this flashing, the crew of #xxx decided to retaliate and took a high position on the tanker's left wing. Since it was a winter flight, the crew was also required to wear the famous "poopy suite", or anti-exposure flight suit in addition to the normal clothing. Luckily the pilot had first pinned the ejection seat before he began to undress. Anyone that has ever flown the Phantom will appreciate the degree of difficulty in performing this maneuver.
First the leg restraints had to be released, then the parachute was unbuckled, along with the seat pack and lap belt restraints. Next, off came the winter flight jacket, the normal flight suit and gloves, then the poopy suit, the thermal underwear and so forth. Then he had to stand on his head.
The picture was taken by the pilot of the other F-4, and the timing was right after General Creech had issued his "Doctrine on Aircrew Discipline" which included more rules about not carrying a camera in the cockpit. The photograph became an instant success within the crew-dog underworld, and late in 1979, when xxxx's Wing Commander was fired for having lost so many crews and jets during a Red Flag, this photo was at the last minute, inserted into his going away picture, signed by all of the wing's crew members.
This Colonel was well liked by all, and to repay our kindness for having given him this moon shot, he emptied his lawn mower's supply of gasoline into his on-base back yard, and spelled the F___ word in large enough letters that everyone could see it from the traffic pattern.
A parting shot. The pilot of #xxx, was never admonished for this incident, but was later in trouble for having sonic boomed his hometown on a cross-country. He was then selected for an assignment to the first F-16 squadron and disappeared.
The pilot that took the picture, was a Flight Commander at the time, was recalled by SAC and flew B-52's until he retired. He is now a Captain with American Airlines. The back-seaters were riffed a few years after the photo and also disappeared. And now you know the rest of the story.
The nurse, by the way, loved the gesture and met the pilot of #xxx that night at the O'Club, but that's another story.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2007 - 06:54 PM
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Obviously flight safety is the most important thing around aircrafts.
I most admit that pictures like that should not end up in the public, but letting them circulate on base is ok.
I think that the prank in the picture is harmless and only helps to increase the morale of the personnel. Sometimes when away from home highlights like that can make everybody smile for a week. |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2007 - 07:25 PM
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guy@rdaf.dk wrote:
I think that the prank in the picture is harmless and only helps to increase the morale of the personnel. Sometimes when away from home highlights like that can make everybody smile for a week.
It is only harmless if the prank does not go public, and does not inspire other airmen to do such foolish antics, as long as the prank does not turn sour. It would be really easy for a joke like this to be considered or twisted into sexual harassment. It could also serve as a distraction which could be a safety problem and could result in a mishap.
It's only a slight boost to morale to do such a prank and they will only smile if the prank goes off well. However is it really worth the risk of the slight boost to morale to risk being a laughingstock? Is it really worth the slight boost of morale to risk multimillions taxpayer money? Is it really worth a slight boost of morale to risk lives?
Sure most of the time the pranks go off well and there is a slight boost in morale, however is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from being a public laughingstock? Is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from sexual harassment lawsuits? Is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from losing multimillions worth of hardware and life? |
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Posted: Nov 12, 2007 - 09:06 AM
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FREUDIAN SLIP:
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Oh, I'm not saying it isn't funny, I'm just saying what I would've done.
...or rather, WOULDN'T have done.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2007 - 05:10 AM
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Yeah, at the risk of making it seem like that was something I would be inclined to do, I thought I should add that second part before people started wondering about me.  |
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Posted: Nov 18, 2007 - 03:37 AM
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Posted: Dec 01, 2007 - 04:10 AM
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Very true Happy! However, the one that I wish that I could've seen was the female Loadmaster who accidentally nearly fell out of her flightsuit. Apparently the rest of the crew (males) got a very nice show.
Why don't we ever show pictures like that around here? Why aren't people ever in the right place to take these pics?
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Posted: Dec 01, 2007 - 08:19 AM
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ATFS_Crash wrote:
guy@rdaf.dk wrote:
I think that the prank in the picture is harmless and only helps to increase the morale of the personnel. Sometimes when away from home highlights like that can make everybody smile for a week.
It is only harmless if the prank does not go public, and does not inspire other airmen to do such foolish antics, as long as the prank does not turn sour. It would be really easy for a joke like this to be considered or twisted into sexual harassment. It could also serve as a distraction which could be a safety problem and could result in a mishap.
It's only a slight boost to morale to do such a prank and they will only smile if the prank goes off well. However is it really worth the risk of the slight boost to morale to risk being a laughingstock? Is it really worth the slight boost of morale to risk multimillions taxpayer money? Is it really worth a slight boost of morale to risk lives?
Sure most of the time the pranks go off well and there is a slight boost in morale, however is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from being a public laughingstock? Is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from sexual harassment lawsuits? Is it really worth the risk of severe loss of morale from losing multimillions worth of hardware and life?
Well I am aware that Americans are a tad Prudish but seriously if you're going to be crashing your jet because you saw a guy walking around naked then you aint fit to be in the military... |
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Posted: Dec 01, 2007 - 08:32 AM
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Well I am aware that Americans are a tad Prudish but seriously if you're going to be crashing your jet because you saw a guy walking around naked then you aint fit to be in the military...[/quote]
Lets put this in a different perspective … “When the system breaks down, the machine breaks down” |
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Posted: Dec 02, 2007 - 04:32 AM
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Well said Vark! In other words, do your job, cut the BS, and save the buffoonery for the bar. Too many people can be hurt or killed because some dumb@$$ is out there being stupid. Sure, you're busy looking at this stupid kid doing something to draw attention to himself, and then, while you're busy looking and laughing, you forget that you didn't kick the chocks, or you forgot that the area wasn't clear before taxiing, or you missed that all too important radio call...things to think about. I never screw around on the flightline. All too often, doing so can be self-critiqueing.
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Posted: Dec 02, 2007 - 11:03 AM
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Although I agree with you to an extent...
If accidents happen because of a guy standing naked on a flight deck, then the people who actually cause those accidents aren't fit to be in the military, whether that be out of Rage or out of not being able to focus to your own job. A good soldier is able to ignore or even filter out irrelivant or possible dangerous information.
If a whole military unit falls apart because of 1!!! moron pulling stupid pranks then I wouldnt want that unit defending me in a time of war. |
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Posted: Dec 02, 2007 - 08:02 PM
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Driver wrote:
Well I am aware that Americans are a tad Prudish but seriously if you're going to be crashing your jet because you saw a guy walking around naked then you aint fit to be in the military...
Well I find your comment bigoted and naďve.
If you think other countries are more liberal about such things, (assuming that you're in the military or a respectable career) why don't you show up to work someday naked, I suspect if you're in the military that you'll probably find yourself in the brig or and psycho ward. If you did it in the civilian sector, I suspect there is a chance you would face suspension, termination or and lawsuits.
If you really think it is acceptable behavior, then if you're in the military; try showing up for military parade in a pink dress with garters. (Please post a video of it if you're stupid enough to do so)
I suppose your military doesn't have a uniform code? Apparently you are unaware that uniforms are supposed to help order, discipline and safety in the military.
You seem to have some childish fantasy or Hollyweird delusion or propaganda delusion that military pilots are infallible. All pilots are quite fallible (military or not), such antics are a distraction and risk. Any pilot that thinks they are infallible, should be grounded (and probably washed out IMAO).
The aviation community takes distractions so seriously, that it is an FAA (to the best of my knowledge it is still a military) requirement that cockpits have a “sterile environment” during takeoff and landing. In other words even conversations during takeoff and landing as well as behavior has to be focused on the mission of getting the plane off or on the ground safely. If you were a pilot you should know it would be considered a violation if you were to be talking about soccer or sending e-mails to your romantic interest during takeoff and landing.
Perhaps you are unaware of a crash investigation report that was recently publicly released, that indicated that the pilots may have been distracted by a pilot singing during landing. It is debatable why he was singing, whether he was just completely complacent or if it might have been a nervous response to relieve stress. In any case they think the singing was a distraction and may have distracted and prevented the other pilot from intervening from a very screwed up landing approach.
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Garuda Investigation Finds Singing Pilot Was Fixated On Landing
Tue, 23 Oct '07
Copilot Also Ignored Procedures, Did Not Take Control
The singing pilot of an ill-fated Garuda flight that crashed in Indonesia, killing 21 people, ignored as many as 15 inflight alarms on the descent to landing.
Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC) reported details of the flight, and has made a series of recommendations following its investigation of the March 7 crash. The report says the pilot continued with his unstable landing approach at excessively high speed and steep descent.
As ANN reported, the plane overran the runway in Yogyakarta, central Java, exploded into flames in a rice paddy field over 800 feet from the runway.
The report is based on data obtained through analysis of the plane's flight data recorders. It found the pilot was "singing" during the approach, below 10,000 feet and prior to reaching 4,000 feet, which was "not in accordance with the Garuda Basic Operations Manual policy for a sterile cockpit below 10,000 feet," according to Theage.com.
"The pilot was probably emotionally aroused because his conscious awareness moved from the relaxed mode "singing" to the heightened stressfulness of the desire to reach the runway by making an excessively steep and fast, unstable approach," the report said.
The pilot, who was uninjured, later "fixated" on landing the aircraft, ignoring loud alarms in the cockpit and two calls from his copilot to abort the landing, the report said.
The pilot acknowledged there was emergency by saying, "Oh, there is something not right", the report said. The pilot also earlier indicated there was a need to conserve fuel, as ANN reported.
"The pilot in command's intention to continue to land the aircraft, from an excessively high and fast approach, was a sign that his attention was channeled during a stressful time," the report said, adding the copilot failed to take the aircraft's controls when the pilot ignored the warnings.
Airlines records showed no evidence the company provided simulator training for flight crews covering required responses to the warning sirens.
The report also said that the Directorate General of Civil Aviation's surveillance of Garuda had failed to identify safety deficiencies and that authorities had only checked the plane's safety and airworthiness twice in the past ten years.
Additionally the airport did not meet international runway standards, and its rescue and firefighting vehicles were ill-equipped and unable to reach the crash site, which may have "significantly reduced survivability," according to the report.
The resulting fire was not fully extinguished for over two hours, the report stated.
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Posted: Dec 03, 2007 - 02:56 AM
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ATFS_Crash wrote:
Driver wrote:
Well I am aware that Americans are a tad Prudish but seriously if you're going to be crashing your jet because you saw a guy walking around naked then you aint fit to be in the military...
Well I find your comment bigoted and naďve.
If you think other countries are more liberal about such things, (assuming that you're in the military or a respectable career) why don't you show up to work someday naked, I suspect if you're in the military that you'll probably find yourself in the brig or and psycho ward. If you did it in the civilian sector, I suspect there is a chance you would face suspension, termination or and lawsuits.
If you really think it is acceptable behavior, then if you're in the military; try showing up for military parade in a pink dress with garters. (Please post a video of it if you're stupid enough to do so)
I suppose your military doesn't have a uniform code? Apparently you are unaware that uniforms are supposed to help order, discipline and safety in the military.
You seem to have some childish fantasy or Hollyweird delusion or propaganda delusion that military pilots are infallible. All pilots are quite fallible (military or not), such antics are a distraction and risk. Any pilot that thinks they are infallible, should be grounded (and probably washed out IMAO).
The aviation community takes distractions so seriously, that it is an FAA (to the best of my knowledge it is still a military) requirement that cockpits have a “sterile environment” during takeoff and landing. In other words even conversations during takeoff and landing as well as behavior has to be focused on the mission of getting the plane off or on the ground safely. If you were a pilot you should know it would be considered a violation if you were to be talking about soccer or sending e-mails to your romantic interest during takeoff and landing.
Perhaps you are unaware of a crash investigation report that was recently publicly released, that indicated that the pilots may have been distracted by a pilot singing during landing. It is debatable why he was singing, whether he was just completely complacent or if it might have been a nervous response to relieve stress. In any case they think the singing was a distraction and may have distracted and prevented the other pilot from intervening from a very screwed up landing approach.
Are you serious? If you think some clown running around naked on the flightline is going to crash someone landing your about as bright as the people that write these BS safety reports. His crappy landing crashed the plane and the other pilot froze. Simple as that. ...you could also go on to say the dead bugs on the windscreen contributed to the crash. Have you ever been in an cockpit with TCAS II on a short approach? I wish I could sing louder than that damm speaker! Please explain to me how someone sends emails while taking off or landing? how did you come up with that one?  |
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Posted: Dec 03, 2007 - 02:48 PM
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Right now Im fresh out of school, I just got my first realy job and am working hard to get in my nations air force (dutch).
I personally wouldnt walk around naked on a flight line and I personally do not agree with it and find it to be stupid dumb and moronic, I will continue to say that a military unit that falls apart of 1 person being a moron is not fit for any active duty and really needs good looking at.
About the hollywood part... I come from a pilot family, my grandfather flew with the 322 squadron during WWII, he flew untill the end of the Hawker Hunter, a year before that my father entered the Air Force in the F-84F, F-104 and F-16 and then F-16MLU. We even moved to Tucson because my father was the Dutch trainer at the time. So I have a pretty good idea of what the military life is like.
When I hear the stories about what happened at the Air Force base and the things I saw myself. As in lighting pianos on fire, and releasing wild boar into a squadron building over the weekend as a pranck. And the RNLAF still being a good respected Air Force I do indeed think that a military unit that cannot take 1 guy standing butt naked on a platform is worthless.
I personally fly glider planes as a hobby, and eventhough a glider plane isn't a fighter jet going mach 2 I still need my concentration and somehow still manage to land an aircraft with many distractions around me comming from people who havent had strict military training to minimise distractions. |
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