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VPRFIXER wrote:

checksixx wrote:

Again, it is NOT an OPSEC violation. Many of us here are in or have been in the Air Force so telling us that you know better cause your in the Air Force doesn't really mean a whole lot. Specifically, there is no concrete proof being provided other than almost every fighter on the planet can launch AtA missiles from almost any angle or position. Please tell us oh wise one, how is that harming the operational security for the F-22??

First of all you don't have to be so plain arrogant in your posting I have been in 20+ years Active Reserve and Guard so don't tell me about OPSEC. Second all I said is direct him to official sources for him to get correct and cleared information not hearsay from forum writers that think they know it all. I didn't say it was a opsec violation so read next time instead of jumping to conclusions. No I'm not a oh wise one and I doubt you are also so why don't you back off being so high and mighty.

After reading both of these...I can verify that they have been around the USAF. This is usually the point where their boss steps through the door and tells them to get back to work. Laughing

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checksixx wrote:

Then you simply took what I wrote to hard. If you did, I'm sorry. I've seen plenty of combat zones (where and when are nobody's business)...I've never been attached to any F-22 unit specifically. If your going to throw out the 'I'm in the Air Force' thing, tell a bit more...Like me for instance...if I were to phrase it that way (which I would never do anyways), I would say that having been assigned to the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley, and having helped usher in the Raptor program and knowing the definition of OPSEC, here is my answer XXXXX. Not...'trust me because I'm in the Air Force'. You could be a cook for all anyone knows.

As far as the original poster...yes, it would have been nice to get some background from you. As far as answering your question...OPSEC would prevent me from telling you how we employ the Raptor and its systems. It does not prevent me from telling you that the F-22---LIKE ANY OTHER FIGHTER---could in theory fire slammers inverted if needed. Not sure how one would find themselves in that situation, but its possible. Whether or not you choose to believe me as credible or concrete is up to you. Ask Dozer over at fencecheck, he has answered the question before, I'm sure he'll be glad to do it again. Max is on the airshowbuzz forums, but he doesn't answer a whole lot of detailed aircraft questions.

Hopefully everyone feels better about themselves now.

Hi checksixx,

Thanks for your reply. About myself, I am a part-time freelance defence journalist in South Korea. I wrote an article about South Korea's KFX project for Aviation Week last April.

BTW who is Dozer? Sorry, I am a newbie here.

Cheers,
Sunho

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datafuser wrote:

checksixx wrote:

Then you simply took what I wrote to hard. If you did, I'm sorry. I've seen plenty of combat zones (where and when are nobody's business)...I've never been attached to any F-22 unit specifically. If your going to throw out the 'I'm in the Air Force' thing, tell a bit more...Like me for instance...if I were to phrase it that way (which I would never do anyways), I would say that having been assigned to the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley, and having helped usher in the Raptor program and knowing the definition of OPSEC, here is my answer XXXXX. Not...'trust me because I'm in the Air Force'. You could be a cook for all anyone knows.

As far as the original poster...yes, it would have been nice to get some background from you. As far as answering your question...OPSEC would prevent me from telling you how we employ the Raptor and its systems. It does not prevent me from telling you that the F-22---LIKE ANY OTHER FIGHTER---could in theory fire slammers inverted if needed. Not sure how one would find themselves in that situation, but its possible. Whether or not you choose to believe me as credible or concrete is up to you. Ask Dozer over at fencecheck, he has answered the question before, I'm sure he'll be glad to do it again. Max is on the airshowbuzz forums, but he doesn't answer a whole lot of detailed aircraft questions.

Hopefully everyone feels better about themselves now.

Hi checksixx,

Thanks for your reply. About myself, I am a part-time freelance defence journalist in South Korea. I wrote an article about South Korea's KFX project for Aviation Week last April.

BTW who is Dozer? Sorry, I am a newbie here.

Cheers,
Sunho

After some googling I found dozerf22's post at http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php?topic=6835.msg132878.

Is this poster Lt.Col. Michael "Dozer" Shower?

Cheers,
Sunho

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I have read (and I don't remember where) that the F-22 ejects the Slammer Missiles with a force of 40G's. It can also role at sixty degrees per second and launch a missile.

Adrian

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http://www.edocorp.com/AMRAAMAVEL.htm

Here are the manufacturer's specs and summary on the LAU-142/A AVEL (AMRAAM Vertical Ejector Launcher) used on the F-22A.

The AMRAAM will leave the F-22 bays perdendicularly at a nominal 9 meters per second (~32.4 km/h). And, yes, the F-22 can launch upside down or in a roll while flying at any speed.

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