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checksixx wrote:

Folks I'm not confused and I've had a Raptor pilot answer the question for Sferrin...I'm just uptight about him because he continues to act like he knows everything and won't accept an answer because he quote "read about them in well respected aviation journals and books". I maintain that you shouldn't believe everything you read, but some people can't be helped.

Show me the quote where the Raptor pilot said they don't have them. (And not some second-hand "the pilot said. . .").

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checksixx wrote:

Nope...I'm done with you...I've already done that for you in another thread. Like VPRGUY said, believe anything you want. Second hand!!!!!!!?????? Your basing your info on what others have written in books and magazines! LoL!

Actually I'm basing my opinion on PICTURES. I show a picture of a radar blocker in a Super Hornet intake and you say "ooh look the engine fan" Just because it vaguely resembles one.

'nother quote:

"Meanwhile, the F-22, whose expensive technology has been thoroughly raided to reduce JSF costs, was able in recent tests to slip between a patrolling F-15 and F-16 without being seen even though controllers were broadcasting the stealth fighter's location, according to officials involved in the test. Confidence in stealthy designs has grown to the point that Lockheed Martin's JSF designers have dropped a key F-22 stealth feature--a device in the tailpipe to block radar reflections. In cutting costs, analysts predicted that the 5 deg. fan of reflection from the exhaust cavity would be virtually impossible to track long enough to endanger the aircraft. Therefore, the blocker could be eliminated. In addition, many expensive, non-radar-reflective, composite pieces in the F-22 have been replaced by cheaper, easily-machined, but less stealthy metal parts in the JSF."

I've included some pictures of the radar blocker in the Super Hornet and the one that would have been in the F-32 had it won (it's from the mockup). The last time I posted a picture of the Super Hornet's blocker Checksixx insisted (mockingly I might add) that we were looking at the front fan stage (even though it was well outboard of the engine). You'll note in the center image that the engine is not even installed in the aircraft.

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checksixx wrote:

Pictures LoL...okay...Again...think whatever you want. Or keep arguing, its up to you. I thought I conceeded to the Hornet one...if I didn't I'll publicly say that your correct. Hope that makes you feel all warm inside...I certainly don't care one way or the other. Having been involved with the Raptor though, I most certainly won't conceed to your argument concerning that.

Feel free not to. There are still people who think the earth is flat and the moon landing was a hoax too.

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Guys, guys! This is a civilized thread. Did you see a little sign at the beginning of the thread that said you could bash at will? NO!!! You know why? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSSED TO, IT'S REALLY BAD TASTE. So please, stop this sh*t, if someone wants to speculate about these planes, so be it, those who say they've got facts (and this goes for everyone) back up your claims with information, pictures and the such. Another thing: the F-22's don't depend on us. It don't matter if we think the Raptor's have radar blockers or not, no plane will fall out of the sky because of our mistake. It is FUN speculation, therefore it should be FUN and not a bashing party.

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checksixx wrote:

Feel free to troll away, I'm not arguing with you.

So now anybody who doesn't agree with you is a troll huh? Rolling Eyes

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Back to the topic:

Tinito_16 wrote:

I'm gonna see if I can find the cutaway poster you're talking about, none of the one's I have tell what the stub was.

That´s an altered online version of this cutaway poster - without numbers, descriptions and two extra drawings (the full size original is 69.5 x 40,5 centimetres):

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A resized copy of the original "Flight International" cutaway poster (but without the descriptions) was integrated in Lockheed Martin´s "F-22 Media Guide", First Edition, April 1997. At that time, from LM´s PR staff I got a hard copy of this extensive guide as I prepared my first Raptor news article for Germany´s air and space magazine "FLiEGERREVUE" (published June 1997). And here comes what I will tell you: In chapter "F-22 Flight-Critical Avionics And Systems", paragraph "Electrical, Hydraulic, and Arresting Systems", the media guide states: "While the F-22 has an arresting hook, it cannot land on an aicraft carrier, as the F-22 does not have the heavier structure necessary to withstand the stresses of a carrier landing. The shape of the arresting hook is not compatible with low observable design, and that is why the fairing and doors are required."

Hope that also helps, Tinito_16! I still search the web for newer info and also for close-up shots, related to the Raptor´s arresting system.

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Sorry, checksixx and sferrin! I´m not a moderator, "only" an editor. But I´m angry and I will tell you: Please stop your "private duel" in this topic! If necessary, please exchange related PMs! And please respect the following reply:

Tinito_16 wrote:

Guys, guys! This is a civilized thread. Did you see a little sign at the beginning of the thread that said you could bash at will? NO!!! You know why? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSSED TO, IT'S REALLY BAD TASTE. So please, stop this sh*t, if someone wants to speculate about these planes, so be it, those who say they've got facts (and this goes for everyone) back up your claims with information, pictures and the such. Another thing: the F-22's don't depend on us. It don't matter if we think the Raptor's have radar blockers or not, no plane will fall out of the sky because of our mistake. It is FUN speculation, therefore it should be FUN and not a bashing party.

Please also remember that this topic is named "What's the little "stinger" on the F-22?". And Tinito_16´s original question was:

Tinito_16 wrote:

I've noticed the F-22 has a little "stinger" in between and extending aft of the nozzles. Some Russian a/c (notably the Su-27 types) have a bigger stinger which according to some sources, hold rear-facing radars. The Raptor's stinger looks too small to hold a radar, so I'm wondering what it is and what it's for.

P.S. for the sake of OPSEC, if this cant be discussed just let me know.

And in this case, there was no question about any F-22 "radar blockers"!

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I weighed in on the previous aggressive post about the radar blockers too. Checksixx, Sferrin, I thank you both for sharing your thoughts. Whichever one of you ends up being right, your observations and contributions are enlightening and I'm glad you're both on this forum. It's cool hearing what different people think and figuring out for myself which explanation seems more plausible to me. I've learned a lot from both of you and I hope you know your credibility isn't on the line so don't put it on the line.

None of us really know what we don't know so I'd encourage you to be humble and open and keep those excellent ideas coming!

Mike

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What's the little "stinger" on the F-22?