Viper gets Boned (no pun intended)

falconmaintainer · by **falconmaintainer** » 23 Jun 2007, 04:14

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Racer181 · by **Racer181** » 23 Jun 2007, 04:46

That has to be a video edit. Because there was no sign or emergency on that ramp. The EOR crews didn't even look twice. So i'm waiving the bullshit flag.

falconmaintainer · by **falconmaintainer** » 23 Jun 2007, 04:57

That was something I thought was strange too. Plus the jet tips over and the pilot doesn't even get out :shock:

I know it is a short clip but one would think that the pilot would have ground egress the jet. I will wait for some one at Red Flag to say yes or no this did or didn't happen. Just thought it was strange.

ATFS_Crash · by **ATFS_Crash** » 23 Jun 2007, 05:46

Looks real to me, but don't know for sure. If it is real I would susect there will be some sort of public info on it soon. It seems a little suspect that everyone just keep going about there business.

Delta · by **Delta** » 23 Jun 2007, 06:42

I can't get to the vide (USAFA has blocked youtube) but if it is what I think it is, it is 100% real. The Bone was from Ellsworth and I just got back from my summer Ops there this afternoon. We heard from the pilot who did it, briefly, but it is 100% real. I thought something would have been on here earlier about it, but I guess not. First hear about this last Monday (18th) during the morning brief but I didn't put anything on here because I didn't want to leak anything that shouldn't be out.

I asked one of the pilots in the squad if they were going to put an F-16 kill on the Bone and he said probably not. Might hurt the Viper pilot's ego.

F16z28 · by **F16z28** » 23 Jun 2007, 08:05

Video edit, EOR doesn't just ignore something like that, people would be running or pointing or something. And the other 16's would stop taxing by like nothing happened either

Delta · by **Delta** » 23 Jun 2007, 08:17

F16z28 wrote:Video edit, EOR doesn't just ignore something like that, people would be running or pointing or something. And the other 16's would stop taxing by like nothing happened either

Read what I just wrote...it is not an edit. I got another video of the incident from a pilot who was there, but he asked us not to send it out or anything like that. It's real.

sulfer732 · by **sulfer732** » 23 Jun 2007, 08:26

this actually happened. a couple Aviano QA guys told me about the incident. they were just at Red Flag and now here at the Kun. the craziest thing about this is that it was tail #90-0718... that is the same jet that tipped on to it's wing on the eng run that you can see in the mishap photo section.

Racer181 · by **Racer181** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:11

Delta wrote:
F16z28 wrote:Video edit, EOR doesn't just ignore something like that, people would be running or pointing or something. And the other 16's would stop taxing by like nothing happened either

Read what I just wrote...it is not an edit. I got another video of the incident from a pilot who was there, but he asked us not to send it out or anything like that. It's real.

I'm still waiving the bullshit flag it's flying high and blowing in the breeze. Oh ya the jet blew up too and i was in the cockpit and i'm unscathed. Ya ya that's the ticket.

Also if I was the camera man filming a jet tipping over like that i wouldn't dare take the camera off it.

sulfer732 · by **sulfer732** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:18

skeptics!!! this happened, and that is all there is to it. apparently the individual behind the camera was filming the B-1 take-off...wave your flag, that's cool... but there is no breeze for you.

Raptor_One · by **Raptor_One** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:34

I guess this goes to show that in order to differentiate clever video editing, special effects, etc. from real footage, you can't necessarily jump to conclusions based on how you think things should have "gone down", people's reactions, and so on. When I saw the video, I didn't think to myself "clever editing job". I didn't see anything in that video clip that looked out of place, suspicious, or physically impossible. I'm sure if you examined the video frame by frame, pixel by pixel, you probably wouldn't find any evidence of tampering either. This seems to happen a lot on this board. Somebody posts a picture or video of an event that really took place, the skeptics shoot it down right away, but eventually it's verified as legit. Someone posted a picture of a B-52 flying so low to the water that it was literally below the deck of a nearby aircraft carrier. People swore it was fake not because the photo looked fake, but for a number of other seemingly logical reasons which all turned out to be wrong. The photo was indeed the real thing. And when you looked at the photo itself, it looked completely authentic. I'm sure we've all seen at least one thing with our own eyes that, had we not actually seen it with our own eyes, wouldn't believe. It's even more suspicious when someone happens to catch such an unbelievable event on camera.

But hey... strange things happen from time to time.

sulfer732 · by **sulfer732** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:41

Bravo! Well said, Raptor One!

falconmaintainer · by **falconmaintainer** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:47

sulfer732 wrote:this actually happened. a couple Aviano QA guys told me about the incident. they were just at Red Flag and now here at the Kun. the craziest thing about this is that it was tail #90-0718... that is the same jet that tipped on to it's wing on the eng run that you can see in the mishap photo section.

Very odd that is was the same aircraft, I guess it has a habit of being on the wingtip. Why didn't I think to ask the Aviano guys :wink:

keep forgetting they just left from the Flag.

Raptor_One · by **Raptor_One** » 23 Jun 2007, 09:49

Racer181 wrote:I'm still waiving the bullshit flag it's flying high and blowing in the breeze. Oh ya the jet blew up too and i was in the cockpit and i'm unscathed. Ya ya that's the ticket.

Also if I was the camera man filming a jet tipping over like that i wouldn't dare take the camera off it.

Just because something looks suspicious and is improbable doesn't mean it's a fake. The words "I can't believe my own eyes!" were made for these moments. I just saw a commercial for a show where a magician makes an elephant disappear behind curtains. How did he do it? He obviously didn't snap his fingers and teleport the thing away, but he certainly did something with it. Or was this just a stunt made possible by the film crew filming the event? In other words, do you think the film crew spliced frames together? I doubt that's how the trick was pulled off, but what other explanation could there be for it? Mirrors? No. Trapped door? No... nothing that obvious. How'd he do it? Must have been in cahoots with the producers, right? That's not unheard of (exploding car on Dateline NBC anyone?), but generally isn't the case. Anyone know how this guy makes the elephant disappear by the way? The commercial is for the next show where he makes it reappear behind the same curtain. How does he manage this?

tokenblkguy1785 · by **tokenblkguy1785** » 23 Jun 2007, 10:20

Uhm...I'm in the triple nickel and we were up there for red flag-alaska 07-2 and yes, this actually happened...we were running rwr pits with the 18th over in salcha loop when all of our jets stopped taxiing...we wandered over to get a view of the runway and, clear as day, you could see an f-16 chillin...on its right wing...it was a little funny and ironic since thats the second time 718 was sittin on its wingtip...but yes, this actually did happen and there were no special effects...im not exactly sure the reason why the aircraft sat like that for so long (possible EPU fire is what we heard), but it took about an hour before the rest of the jets resumed their sorties and what not...