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Enthusiast Joined: Jun 09, 2007 Posts: 25 Status: Offline

first of all i`ll request all members not to take it personally and i hope that all comments will be based upon neutral judgements.
pakistan is going to have newer f-16s i.e.f.16(blk.52).how will be these planes stand against indian mirage 2000s?

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the comparation is not fair too the mirage 2000 india is using... it would be fair for the mirage 2000-5.
but i guees pak needs the f-16 block52 to counter the su-30 mki not the mirage.

Enthusiast Joined: Jun 09, 2007 Posts: 25 Status: Offline

it seemed like that pak officials were never in a haste to buy new planes to counter SU-30s...during the period when pak was sanctioned and was no longer able to get newer jets,they never show the signs of any sort of problem.SU-30s would be better planes but not the best ..

probaly su-30mki is better than anything pakistan could buy right now but the block 60 would be the best choice...

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pakistan was always in defensive position.in defensive role u may get the help of many other things and best example is SAMs.vipers of 52 blk may join with SAMs to cope with the attacking SUKHOIS. Smile

these both can be sufficient for the the sukhois ,when india has not a large number of the same

In 2000, an agreement was signed allowing the license production of 140 Su-30MKIs in India. The deal was sealed in Russia at the IAPO factory. The deal combines license production with full technology transfer and hence called a 'Deep License'.
India will eventually acquire a total of 230 Su-30MK

falcon_sgd wrote:

pakistan was always in defensive position.in defensive role u may get the help of many other things and best example is SAMs.vipers of 52 blk may join with SAMs to cope with the attacking SUKHOIS. Smile

these both can be sufficient for the the sukhois ,when india has not a large number of the same

SAM's never defend the same air corridor as fighters as it already demonstrated that they will eventualy shoot down firendly aircraft.

Fighters are much better defenses than SAM's. SAM's usualy work when defending against a threat wich presense has been detected from long range or in the case there arent any friendly fighters arround but the enemies.

aparently india is williing to upgrade his fleet of mirages ( rdm-7 radar, asraam missiles, new avionics).
does anyone have information about the use of mica in IAF?

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NOT SURE.INDIA USES ITS MIRAGES FOR A-G,MAINLY.I THINK THEY HAVE MICA ALONG WITH MATRA530 OR 550 etc.

YES they use the SUPER 530D And Magic 550 but the RDM RADAR DOES not have multitarget capability so even if they got the missile (mica) they are not able to use it efective...
not sure how good is RDM-7 RADAR ....

Enthusiast Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 28 Status: Offline

A lot of this not only depends on the quality of the aircraft, but also the quality of the pilot. In this modern air warfare, I doubt both aircraft will ever be close enough to have a full out dogfight. Most air to air warfare is conducted through radar and long range missiles. Both aircraft would have the chance to take each other out even before they come into a proper dogfight.

Enthusiast Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 28 Status: Offline

A lot of this not only depends on the quality of the aircraft, but also the quality of the pilot. In this modern air warfare, I doubt both aircraft will ever be close enough to have a full out dogfight. Most air to air warfare is conducted through radar and long range missiles. Both aircraft would have the chance to take each other out even before they come into a proper dogfight.

Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.

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JochemP wrote:

Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.

Well PAF's blk 15 F-16s are also fully MR and a proper comparison of the IAF Mirage 2000s is with PAF F-16s (although I know that the avionics on the blk15 F-16s are better than those available to the IAF on their Mirage 2000s currently).

Overall the Indian version of the Mirage 2000 in its current state has been evaluated by the Pakistani Air Force quite a few times. The last time PAF evaluated it, they took a look at the Mirage 2000-5 and liked it but they like the F-16 even better because they already had the support infrastructure built out for the Viper.

The above does not take anything away from Mirage 2000 as its an excellent aircraft...by far the best purchase made by the IAF (even better than the MKIs) in my opinion when you look at flexibility, performance and availability of the French aircraft.

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blain2 wrote:

JochemP wrote:

Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.

Well PAF's blk 15 F-16s are also fully MR and a proper comparison of the IAF Mirage 2000s is with PAF F-16s (although I know that the avionics on the blk15 F-16s are better than those available to the IAF on their Mirage 2000s currently).

Overall the Indian version of the Mirage 2000 in its current state has been evaluated by the Pakistani Air Force quite a few times. The last time PAF evaluated it, they took a look at the Mirage 2000-5 and liked it but they like the F-16 even better because they already had the support infrastructure built out for the Viper.

The above does not take anything away from Mirage 2000 as its an excellent aircraft...by far the best purchase made by the IAF (even better than the MKIs) in my opinion when you look at flexibility, performance and availability of the French aircraft.

The Mirage 2000, at its peak, if PAF had upgraded its F-16s with Sparrows etc - would have been an equivalent. OTOH, the MKI is a game changer. With its formidable radar, payload & range ability - it for the first time provides the IAF the ability to dictate the terms on which it will engage. And with 230 MKIs ordered - its going to be the biggest threat the PAF has ever faced.

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