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J.J.
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Posted: May 21, 2007 - 03:28 AM
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Please note this important update:
Yesterday, I started this topic with the title "Raptor flight demo over Fort Lauderdale". Today, I changed the title to "F-22 Demo Team´s first season". This renamed topic will give us a broader base to discuss previous and future Raptor involvements during the team´s first season. And so, we need no further "special topics" related to each upcoming 2007 event. This topic should be also very helpful to document the "Facts & Figures" for our new <a href="http://www.f-16.net/serials.html">F-22 Aircraft Database</a>. And in this case, during the next couple of days I will also re-post some known key facts from older topics like:
- <a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7858.html">Raptor flight demo at Point Mugu</a>
- <a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7931.html">"Something special" Raptor flight demo at Langley!</a>
- <a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7919.html">2007 F-22 Air Show Schedule</a>
- <a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7658.html">F-22 Airshow maneuvers</a>
Please let me tell you also the following: Nearly every day, I watch related topics on:
- <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com">fencecheck.com</a>
- <a href="http://www.airshowbuzz.com">airshowbuzz.com</a>
I will also tell you that I have an exclusive opportunity (via ACC PA) to get closer contact to "Max" and his demo team. Let´s wait and see! And that was the content of my yesterday´s original post:
During the 2007 McDonald´s Air & Sea Show, May 5 – 6, 2007, over Fort Lauderdale, Florida, "Max" flew at least with 02-4034 from Tyndall AFB. Any back-up aircraft is currently unknown to me. For this airshow, the Raptor (or both Raptors) and other DoD aircraft were on stage at Opa Locka Airport, Miami-Date County.
At the moment, the very best shots are on <a href="http://www.airliners.net">airliners.net</a>:
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1211033/L/">Vapor pours out from several sources on the high speed pass</a>
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1211190/L/">Heritage flight with F-15C Eagle and P-51 Mustang</a>
There are also some other private shots online, but not in this quality. Related official USAF pics are very rare. The first of the following shots was released on DoD´s public main website, the other three are from Homestead ARB´s public website (Please note: In case of both in-flight pics, Homestead´s photo captions state May 6 as the date of shot, but the photo´s VIRIN code states May 5):
 An F-22A, a P-51 Mustang, and an F-15C Eagle fly in a heritage flight formation above Fort Lauderdale, Fla., during the 2007 McDonald’s Air & Sea Show.
 An F-22A Raptor flies above Fort Lauderdale, Fla., during the 2007 McDonald’s Air & Sea Show. |
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| F-22A #02-4034 sit on the tarmac at Miami’s Opa Locka Airport as part of McDonald’s National Salute to America’s Heroes media day activities May 3, 2007. [DoD photo by Gerry J. Gilmore] |
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| TSgt. Eugene Smith from the 482nd FW´s SFS guards an F-22A at Opa Locka Airport on May 4, 2007. [USAF photo by TSgt. Paul Dean] |
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J.J.
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 04:03 AM
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Last weekend, during the Joint Service Open House at Andrews AFB, Maryland (May 18-20, 2007), "Max" flew his "six pass" demos at least with 05-4085 from Langley AFB. <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7652.0;attach=164583;image">See photo proof</a>
Any "back-up" aircraft is currently unknown to me. But there was also a Raptor on static display. Anybody who can/will identify the tail number (looks to me like a special marked 1st FW bird)? |
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 12:53 PM
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So what is the aircraft behind the U2? It almost looks like an F35.
J.J. wrote:
Last weekend, during the Joint Service Open House at Andrews AFB, Maryland (May 18-20, 2007), "Max" flew his "six pass" demos at least with 05-4085 from Langley AFB. <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7652.0;attach=164583;image">See photo proof</a>
Any "back-up" aircraft is currently unknown to me. But there was also a Raptor on static display. Anybody who can/will identify the tail number (looks to me like a special marked 1st FW bird)?
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 01:31 PM
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goos78 wrote:
So what is the aircraft behind the U2? It almost looks like an F35.
J.J. wrote:
Last weekend, during the Joint Service Open House at Andrews AFB, Maryland (May 18-20, 2007), "Max" flew his "six pass" demos at least with 05-4085 from Langley AFB. <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7652.0;attach=164583;image">See photo proof</a>
Any "back-up" aircraft is currently unknown to me. But there was also a Raptor on static display. Anybody who can/will identify the tail number (looks to me like a special marked 1st FW bird)?
Probably the traveling JSF mockup. |
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 08:14 PM
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 08:28 PM
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Static Raptor during JSOH at Andrews AFB was 04-4076.
Brand-new are the following hi-res gallery pics on <a href="http://www.flickr.com">www.flickr.com</a>:
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/222/506248659_9c9d174ec5_b.jpg">04-4076 on static display</a>
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/506220254_4f5152413d_b.jpg">04-4076 on static display</a>
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/506249885_230cc6d5d5_b.jpg">04-4076 on static display</a>
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/506210548_6d52d4b580_b.jpg">05-4085 and another Langley Raptor at the flightline</a>
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/191/506241801_2f1bfd872d_b.jpg">"Max"</a>
- <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/200/506216272_6ad7123cb6_b.jpg">The JSF mockup</a>
(All photos by Strader Payton, Producer for TV Tokyo's Washington, DC Bureau) |
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 09:04 PM
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| Is the blue (maybe afterburner blue) car by the U-2 the chaser car, because I thought they used Camaro's? Is that a Camaro, I can't make it out..lol You can see the car in the 1st hi-res photo too. |
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J.J.
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Posted: May 22, 2007 - 09:51 PM
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Very interesting "Daily Report" on "Air Force Magazine Online" (Journal of the Air Force Association):
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Raptor Puts on the Ritz
May 18, 2007— The Air Force´s new stealth fighter, the F-22A Raptor, makes its air show flying program premier today at Andrews AFB, Md., about a year ahead of schedule. Last fall, plans called for an F-22 to merely make flybys at a few select air shows. However, Air Combat Command recently approved a "version 1.0" demonstration program that showcases some of the aircraft´s unique capabilities. The routine features a series of maximum-performance climbs, turns, flips, "tail slides," and other maneuvers that makes use of the F-22´s extraordinary flight controls and thrust vectoring—all of which are currently unfamiliar to the general public.
"This is not the final version," F-22 demo pilot Maj. Paul Moga told reporters in Washington yesterday. "But we wanted to get this out as soon as we could." He predicted that ACC would permit more maneuvers as the 2007 season progresses.
The F-22 demonstration routine, which runs about 12 minutes, is heavy on tight turns, slow flight, and thrust vectoring because the aircraft´s main attributes—stealth, ability to supercruise and networked data collection—can´t be demonstrated for an air show crowd, explained Moga. He continued, "We wanted to show people that this is a much more capable jet than the F-15." Nevertheless, in a high-speed pass, the F-22 will whoosh by spectators at .94 Mach—about 600 knots indicated airspeed. The maneuver is called the "car alarm" because the sudden onset sound of the F-22´s powerful engines sets off car alarms for miles around.
However, ACC´s sole F-22 demo pilot insists that the impressive maneuvers in the F-22´s air show routine are "nothing crazy." The maneuvers are part of the flying training that all Raptor pilots receive. Even those that aren´t especially tactically useful—but look great—are part of any Raptor pilot´s repertoire because instructors want the pilots to develop total confidence in the airplane. ACC believes such training will prevent the pilot from creating an unrecoverable situation.
A breathtaking "tail slide" maneuver, in which the aircraft stops ascending and begins to fall backwards—under total control—is something performed by Raptor students on their third sortie, Moga said. In designing the routine—and the F-22 syllabus at Tyndall AFB, Fla., the fighter´s schoolhouse—Moga said instructors sat around and made a list of "what did we always wish we could do in an airplane," and then built it into the course. Many of the moves come in quite handy in close-in dogfights, he said.
The F-22 air show program is "thoroughly tested" and never puts the aircraft or the pilot into an unrecoverable situation, stated Moga. That´s different from the air show routines flown by MiG and Sukhoi pilots, whose aircraft can do some of the same maneuvers, he said, adding that they use aircraft specially configured for air shows. The fighters have unique fuel systems, center of gravity, and gaudy paint, and are bereft of fighting systems. Moga said that, in the midst of certain flashy maneuvers, "they are literally out of control," unlike his routine which he can perform with "any operational Raptor." And, he added, "I can land, arm, and go fight" with the same aircraft.
Moga noted that he recently pulled 10.2 Gs in the F-22, performing a pullout from a hard turn. The F-22´s specifications say only that the aircraft can pull 9.5 Gs, but can take more, depending on "the ability of the pilot" to bear the pressure. Still, technicians checked the fighter for signs of strain but found none.
For the present, Moga is the only Raptor pilot permitted to fly air show demonstrations, and he says those shows will be limited in number. There are not enough F-22As to do more.
—John A. Tirpak
Source: http://dailyreport.afa.org/AFA/Features ... 07demo.htm
Note: The ACC F-22A single-ship demonstration team started its official season April 27-29 during AirPower over Hampton Roads 2007 at Langley AFB, and not at Andrews AFB! |
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Posted: May 23, 2007 - 12:50 AM
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Probably the first JSOH 2007 Raptor video stuff on <a href="http://www.youtube.com">youtube.com</a>:
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJieMIKtgpE">F-22 Fly Over
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- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaAgyH7kCk">F-22 Raptor Demonstration 1</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXAs9NAAkE">F-22 Raptor Demonstration 2</a>
- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q3Ri02d6nI">F-22 Raptor Demonstration 3</a>
Not the best, but probably the first! I will check the web for further related clips. Anybody from the United States who will assist me to document the F-22 Demo Team´s first season for F-16.net? I would be very grateful for any support and personal offers!
PS: I like the sound of the Raptor! |
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Posted: May 27, 2007 - 10:47 PM
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During the 2007 McDonald´s Air & Sea Show, May 5 – 6, 2007, over Fort Lauderdale, Florida, "Max" flew at least with 02-4034 from Tyndall AFB. Any back-up aircraft is currently unknown to me. For this airshow, the Raptor (or both Raptors) and other DoD aircraft were on stage at Opa Locka Airport, Miami-Date County
034 was indeed the primary, and was flown at both practice sessions on Friday, and at the show itself on Saturday and Sunday. 034 and the backup aircraft, 032, arrived at Opa Locka at 1330L on Thursday prior to the show, and departed the following Monday back to Tyndall. |
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Posted: May 27, 2007 - 11:58 PM
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Posted: May 28, 2007 - 02:42 AM
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On <a href="http://www.airliners.net">airliners.net</a> there are two brand-new posted Raptor hi-res shots from the 2007 Langley airshow.
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1213895/L/">05-4085 climbing straight up</a> (very cool and never seen before as hi-res version on other online sources related to this airshow!)
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1212074/L/">05-4085 probably during a high speed pass</a> (well known)
Hi to all of our Raptor enthusiasts! Would you agree that I will post all further 2007 F-22 Demo Team stuff to this single topic? I already told you:
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And so, we need no further "special topics" related to each upcoming 2007 event.
Please tell me your opinion and feel free to post links to other related photos or articles, not found by me by searching the web. Thanks! |
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Posted: May 31, 2007 - 09:38 PM
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Latest hi-res shots on <a href="http://www.airliners.net">airliners.net</a>:
-<a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1217086/L/">02-4032 at Opa Locka</a>
-<a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1216848/L/">04-4076 on static display at Andrews AFB (left side close-up)</a> |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2007 - 08:08 PM
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Latest hi-res shots on <a href="http://www.airliners.net">airliners.net</a>:
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1220914/L/">04-4076 on static display at Andrews AFB</a>
- <a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1219611/L/">04-4074 taxiing in "after a great demo" on May 18 at Andrews AFB (nice side view)</a>
Please note: The second shot is a surprise (at least to me) and should be a clear photo proof that "Max" also piloted 04-4074, and not only 05-4085 as I stated above. And in this case, the unidentified Raptor just behind 05-4085 in this already hot-linked <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/506210548_6d52d4b580_b.jpg">photo</a> from the flightline must be 04-4074. Anybody who can/will tell us: During the Joint Service Open House (JSOH) which was the primary Raptor, and which was the backup?
This weekend, "Max" and the F-22 Demo Team performs during the California Capital Airshow at Mather Airport in Rancho Cordova, Sacramento, June 9-10, 2007.
First shots on <a href="http://www.airshowbuzz.com">airshowbuzz.com</a> and <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com">fencecheck.com</a> confirm that "Max" flew at least with 04-4066 (94th FS). <a href="http://machimages.com/temp/CAS/arrivals/F-22-1.jpg">Photo proof</a>
Tomorrow, I will post some more related photo links.
According to a <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php/topic,7513.0.html">topic</a> on <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com">fencecheck.com</a>, two Raptors for the airshow arrived at Beale AFB, California, late in the night from June 6 to June 7. The initial question was: Why are they at Beale? On June 7, a probably well-informed fencecheck member posted: "They did a gas-n-go at Buckley here yesterday because their tanker was broke, and BKF was the nearest divert for them. They had a 1330 takeoff from Beale for Mather..."
To get some more input related to the F-22 Demo Team, I already joined <a href="http://www.airshowbuzz.com">airshowbuzz.com</a>. And I will also join <a href="http://www.fencecheck.com">fencecheck.com</a>. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2007 - 01:14 AM
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| First <a href="http://www.langley.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070517-032.doc">official bio</a> of "Max", released last month on Langley´s public website. |
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