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What's with New Jersey - Wildfire



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PostPosted: May 17, 2007 - 08:54 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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May 16, 2007 (by Asif Shamim) - A wildfire has started after an F-16 from the New Jersey ANG dropped a flare during a routine training sortie over the Warren Grove Gunnery Range in Ocean County. The resulting fire has forced thousands to flee the area.

Source: http://www.f-16.net/news_article2336.html


First it was a middle school and now a forest. What's happening with the boys from New Jersey Air Guard?

Anyone in these units want to stand up?

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The middle school was a thing of the 113FW 121FS DC ANG if I recall correctly, so I don`t get this statement? Also if you read the explanation as to why this happened, it is quite obvious that this wasn`t exactly planned.

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Yep the school was a DC guard F-16. I just got back from a business trip to Atlantic City this afternoon and let me tell you that there are some pissed off people at the NJ ANG right now. Becasue even though the school thing was not them it's coming across in the media like it was.
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I guess i missed what happened with the middle school thing. Can anyone give me a link to what happened? And as far as the fire goes, my g/f gave me an interesting question. So what will happen to the ANG? Anything? I don't see that they could possibly incur any charges. But, if it were a cigarrette butt that someone threw out, and caused this, then they would be in lots of trouble.
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cbrjames wrote:
I guess i missed what happened with the middle school thing.


Read the following: F-16 "Fly-by shooting" on New Jersey school

Follow up with full Accident board report

Air Force releases report regarding NJ school strafing

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The 20 mm TP rounds that landed on, and around the school several years ago were not fired from a NJ Air Guard F-16. The Bombing range is in New Jersey, fairly close to the guard base, but it's pretty common for other units aircraft to use the range.
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Mistakes do happen, it is bound to happen, sad but true...all we can do is learn from it instead of pointing fingers in rage, it is our own countrymen after all and I am sure it was not done on purpose.

Lessons learned for sure, sure it might cast a bad light but I dont think there is a need to make that light brighter is there?

Fix the problem, make amends and push forward...damn, it is not a perfect world and our military is tasked to the limits...can we chill just a tad with these guys....I am sure they too are upset with the events as they are.
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Eitherway, someone has a new callsign. "Pyro" anyone? Wink

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What's with NJ maddog? How about nothing. DC shot up the school the stupid local media acts like it was us since we control and maintain the range. First off they are not sure if it was a flare, since they are still investigating. But as of right now they are going with the flare as the possible reason why the fire started. The area of the range is huge and anyone could gain access, so its still possible that it was not a flare. What ever started the fire the people who lost their homes will be taken care of, no one was hurt or killed. Accidents happen.

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From ACC´s public website:

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Board to investigate New Jersey mishap

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5/21/2007 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (ACCNS) -- Gen. Ronald Keys, commander of Air Combat Command, convened an accident investigation board May 18 to investigate an Air National Guard F-16 training mishap that resulted in a forest fire at the Warren Grove Training Range in New Jersey.

Major General Emmett R. Titshaw, the Air National Guard assistant to the commander of Air Combat Command, has been designated as the the president of the AIB.

Within the next few days, the AIB team will assemble and begin their investigation into the May 15 training sortie of an Air Force F-16 from the 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, N.J.

In addition to setting forth factual information concerning the mishap, the AIB president is required to state in the report his opinion concerning the cause or causes of the accident and describe those factors, if any, that substantially contributed to the accident.

After the report has been approved by General Keys, it will be released to the public.

For more information about the AIB process, contact Air Combat Command Public Affairs at (757) 764-5007 or e-mail accpa.operations@langley.af.mil.

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New Jersey is a tough place to raise F-16 types Laughing


In a working class mobster-soldier accent
- "Ya dat ain't nothing ... our F-16 unit is so tough it burns up the landscape. Hey, we gotta make 'em tough, it's the only way." Laughing

...New Jersey F-16 pilot on static display duty at airshow: "Whatta u lookin at?" {looks at his two crew chiefs} -"Rocko... Moose... get rid of these guys...". Laughing

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Point taken. Maybe it's the range and not the units working there.

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Here is a link to part of the Investigation that was released to the public today. I'm sure the Media will put more about this up tomorrow.
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/top_ ... 8781c.html

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Accidents happen, lessons are learned......and sometimes re-learned. Lets all move on now.
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From ACC´s public website:

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New Jersey F-16 accident report released

7/26/2007 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (ACCNS) -- Air Force officials determined that the cause of the forest fire on the Warren Grove Training Range in New Jersey on May 15 was pilot error, committed when a pilot of an F-16C Falcon deployed countermeasure flares at an altitude that allowed the flares to contact the range while still burning.

Maj. Gen. Emmett R. Titshaw, president of the Air Combat Command Accident Investigation Board, established to investigate the Air National Guard F-16 training mishap that resulted in the forest fire at the training range, released his findings at a press conference today.

The investigation team discovered that during a basic surface attack training mission, two F-16C Falcon pilots, a lead pilot and a wingman pilot assigned to the 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, conducted an unscheduled "show of force" maneuver.

A show of force is a maneuver typically involving a low-altitude, high-speed pass over an area of interest to demonstrate an air power presence to an enemy force.

While executing the show of force maneuver, the wingman pilot deployed multiple countermeasure flares below the WGR minimum release altitude of 500 feet. At the time of the flare release, the pilot was unaware that the environmental conditions on the range prohibited the use of flares on the range. The use of countermeasure flares during the training mission that day was also not briefed to the range control officer or the lead pilot of the training mission. The aircraft's flares contacted the ground while still burning, causing several fires. One of these fires spread rapidly beyond the boundary of the WGR due to extreme environmental factors.

In addition, the lead pilot of the training mission did not discuss the use of flares during the training mission with the pilot who subsequently dropped the flares. The investigation also found that prior to the start of the training mission, the lead pilot failed to properly coordinate with the WGR range control officer concerning the use of flares. The board also noted as a contributing factor the failure of the range control officer to convey that flares were prohibited on the range at the time of the training mission.

The AIB results have been presented and briefed by General Titshaw to residents of homes destroyed by the fire and to New Jersey Congressional members and state officials. The report has also been forwarded to the Adjutant General of New Jersey and to the commander of the 177th Fighter Wing.

Questions regarding the AIB findings should be directed to the ACC Public Affairs office at (757) 764-5007 or e-mail accpa.operations@langley.af.mil. To download the report's executive summary, statement of facts and statement of opinion, visit:
http://www.acc.af.mil/aibreports/.

Source: http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123062354


For Press Release, Executive Summary and Complete Report see: http://www.acc.af.mil/aibreports/

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