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Good footage. Annoying soundbits.

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 15, 2006 - 12:28 AM Posts: 760

Scorpion1alpha wrote:

Good footage. Annoying soundbits.

In my opinion, it is extremely immature and stupid; the video seems to suggest and approve of drinking alcohol (or and smoking pot) and flying. Just what we need to do; attract more immature gangsters, hoodlums, alcoholics and drug addicts in the aircraft industry.

What next? Air crews with shorts so baggy they look like girls in dresses or infants with a large load of manure in their diapers? Air crews that can't tie their shoelaces? Air crews that grab and scratch their crotches like they got crabs or some other form of VD?

Just the cheeseburger and the Coke in a fighter is an inappropriate prank, that should require disciplinary action. I would ground anyone involved and put them on latrine and grease pit/trap duty and I would cancel their leaves for a significant period of time.

Do you realize how much damage a Coke could do if they hit turbulence and the Coke was dumped onto electronics? Was the Coke and the food safely stowed prior to use? Do you realize that die in car accidents every year because idiots have loose garbage on their floorboards, that can jam brake pedals and accelerators?

Yes I know that most military cockpits have some resistance to water. However there is an extreme difference between water resistance and waterproof. The damage that Coke could do is much greater than what water would probably do.

Of course I'm not against eating or drinking in a cockpit, however it should be only when necessary and conducted professionally. It is necessary to keep hydrated to have better resistance against hypoxia and GLOC.

In no case should there be illicit drugs or alcohol combined with aircraft.

If a person wants to drink off-duty, that's fine as long as it does not affect their job. They should not come to work drunk or hung over/just plain stupid.

A lot of drugs and drug addicts think they aren't hung over because they don't have the stereo typical hangover or they are in such deep denial that they will not admit to it. If you drink or do drugs excessively, it can often take days or weeks to recover to a more normal intelligence.

Dude were you high or drunk when you watched this video? GET A GRIP. The guy was drinking a coke while sitting in the backseat of a jet. GOOD FREAKING DEAL. It happens every day on most missions over 2 hours. Every sorite that i launched out at kadena contained some sort of food and beverage in the cockpit. Where does alcohol come into play during this video?

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 15, 2006 - 12:28 AM Posts: 760

akruse21 wrote:

Dude were you high or drunk when you watched this video? GET A GRIP. The guy was drinking a coke while sitting in the backseat of a jet. GOOD FREAKING DEAL. It happens every day on most missions over 2 hours. Every sorite that i launched out at kadena contained some sort of food and beverage in the cockpit. Where does alcohol come into play during this video?

I'm completely sober, what about yourself? You seem not. What I'm talking about is the reference of BUD in the lyrics, which is a direct reference to an alcoholic beer (Budweiser) and is also an inference to marijuana. BUD is a street reference to the sexual part of the female marijuana plant that has the highest THC (intoxicant) content. The lyrics are even spoken like punk drug addicts.

The lyrics combined with the video infers it is okay to drink alcohol or and to smoke marijuana and fly, and that you can fly well doing so.

As I said I don't have a problem with eating or drinking in the cockpit as long as it is done in a safe professional manner. Not like a Yahoo that just smoked dope and has the munchies and eats like a careless stoned slob.

Like I said there is no room for alcohol and illicit drugs in the aviation industry, there are plenty of sober more capable people eager to replace those idiots.

Do you get it “DUDE”? Sober up “DUDE”.

BTW the a term “dude” and "freaking" was popularized by drug addict's

Wow. I got nothing. Carry on Mr. Cleaver (reference Leave it to Beaver).

Have you not seen the commercial that these "lryics" came from?

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 15, 2006 - 12:28 AM Posts: 760

akruse21 wrote:

Have you not seen the commercial that these "lryics" came from?

It is obvious I have, like I said it is a reference to Budweiser (an alcoholic beer). If you pay attention to the language the dress and culture of the commercial there is also an undertone that implicates marijuana. I suspect company Budweiser representatives were probably unaware of the marijuana implications of their commercials. That seems to be an implication made by the so-called artists. Whether or not the implication was intentional or accidental I am not sure, but either way the commercials mimicking stoners.

ATFS Crash,

Please return to reality. Sure, I love Jimmy Buffett (hence my screen name) and I'd love to put some good flying vids to "Margaritaville" and some US Navy video to "Boat Drinks," but that in no way means that I'd recommend combining alcohol with operating any sort of aircraft or vessel under the influence. Same here. Think of who made the vids - the pilots. What would they tell anyone about that? Don't do it.

I think personal interpritation has a big role to play in it. I watched the vid before reading your comments and my impression was that the pilots and vid combined with the voiceover was meant to illustrate an entirely different point. Look at it this way - the "losers" who are sittin on the couch with some Bud watchin' the game are missin' out on all the incredible fun of being a Tomcat pilot! Study hard, don't be a couch potato, and come be a Sierra Hotel FIGHTER PILOT instead of a loser like those guys Thumb

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Returning to your point, then it would be a very bad idea for Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, Budweiser, Coors, or Miller to sponsor race cars - because someone might take away from seeing them drive that it's a good idea to drink and drive Confused

? Also, Jimmy Buffett has his Margaritaville Tequila line of liquor and has its logo on his Grumman Albatross seaplane. There was also the Bud Light Silver Bullet BD-5J microjet at airshows. Bad idea? I don't think so.

But that's just me and the rest of the Parrotheads in the world Wink

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Wow. Talk about overreacting to something. Lets just keep on this line of thinking, but do it in line with things the pilots were ACTUALLY doing (instead of drinking beer and smoking "bud"). There was the one guy who had his mask off and was scratching his nose. Such a horrible example- what would happen if he had a rapid decompression right then? God only knows if he'd get his mask back on in time!!! Oh- that same guy also had the sleeves of his flight suit pulled up. With no gloves on. Man, get a fire in the cockpit and his forearms are toast! Then there was the guy swatting golf balls off the stern of the ship- some poor whales might eat them!!! And the guy in the ready room, getting pelted with paper wads as he tried to get his green shirt back on. Flagrant display of pornography if I've ever seen one. I mean, come on, a man with his shirt off- disgusting!. The one red shirt dancing on the deck- how unsafe. I don't care that he may have been 14 hours into his shift, with no idea when he'd be off again, and was trying to keep morale up. Holy cow, did you see how close that one guy came to spraying INTO the cockpit when they were hosing that back seater down? And how immature!!!!! YEARS of tradition for a fini flight, but immature nonetheless!!! And the guy messing with the M9 pistol---wow, seeing that just gave me this urge to go shoot something up!!! JOKING, in case someone over-reacts to THAT given what happened a few days ago.

Regarding the eating/drinking thing...can someone please tell me the "professional" way to eat/drink in the cockpit? My seat on the C-130 has me right over top of the UHF-1 radio, IFF/TCAS control panel, and numerous other sensitive electronics. I, for one, would like to be able to eat/drink at some point in my 4+ hour mission, and I can't go in back and kick up my feet to do so. Now for some point by point rebuttles...

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Just what we need to do; attract more immature gangsters, hoodlums, alcoholics and drug addicts in the aircraft industry.

I see sooo many of those. Maybe your hiring department needs an overhaul? And what about those "random" drug tests that are posted on every single aviation job posting that I've seen? Not being done in your workplace, apparently. How about you fix that?

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What next? Air crews with shorts so baggy they look like girls in dresses or infants with a large load of manure in their diapers? Air crews that can't tie their shoelaces? Air crews that grab and scratch their crotches like they got crabs or some other form of VD?

Now granted, I've only been wearing a flightsuit for a few months now. But I have YET to see how on earth someone could wear it "like a girl in a dress" or an "infant with a large load of manure". And I especially LOVE how you took it upon yourself to attack the aircew in the video, who should have known some college kid was going to do a video compilation tied to a stupid song. I for one, can tie my shoelaces, and don't feel the need to to the Michael Jackson crotch grab. That goes for EVERY SINGLE AIRCREW MEMBER I HAVE MET IN MY TEN YEARS IN AVIATION, too. Get your sh*t straight before you take it upon yourself to attack people in that manner.

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Yes I know that most military cockpits have some resistance to water. However there is an extreme difference between water resistance and waterproof. The damage that Coke could do is much greater than what water would probably do.

You are right. It will make things sticky when it dries. So just for you, until I am told how to safely and professionally drink a coke in the aircraft, I'll only ask for water in my flight meals. May I also have bread, or is that too close to what woud be found in a cheeseburger?

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In no case should there be illicit drugs or alcohol combined with aircraft.

Absolutely. And in no case did I see any signs of illicit drugs or alchohol use by ANY of the aircrew members in that whole video. Oh wait, there was a bottle of wine being sprayed on the backseater while he was being hosed down.

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If a person wants to drink off-duty, that's fine as long as it does not affect their job. They should not come to work drunk or hung over/just plain stupid.

Just plain against the regulations, too. Unfortunatly it still happens. That T-6 Texan II that crashed a few years back, and the airline pilot who recently got busted while driving full of cocaine come to mind. Both of them must have watched this video beforehand.

Point being, ATFS- you read waaaay to far into this video, and your attacks on aircrew- particularly the guys in the video, who are guilty of nothing more than blowing off some steam in an enviornment that would drive most people to the crazy house- are way out of line. Were a couple of them immature? Sure, probably. But I bet they would not hesitate for a second to put themselves between you and harms way, and would do so with nothing but the utmost level of professionalism. In return for that, they deserve to have the opportunity to have a little fun at work. And if, like you say, the aviation industry is rife with "immature gangsters, hoodlums, alchoholics, and drug addicts", then you must have come across them first hand, and I expect that you took steps to make sure they quickly became unemployed. Right?

Great vid.....ATFS, I think you need to lay low for awhile.

I haven't posted here in a long while, but I'm compelled to. If I've never had a cheeseburger in the jet, it's because their wasn't one available. I know I've had coca-cola in the cockpit. Bagel and cream cheese, sandwiches, etc. I don't really keep track. Snack Pack pudding, soup... I've also listened to music that Mr. Blowhard here would consider 'encouraging evil lifestyles of sin' via an iPod in the cockpit. Oh, I've also read quite a few magazines in the cockpit of a Viper, to include Playboy (but just for the articles).

If this guy was a crew chief in my squadron I'd do my damndest to have a work detail for him every day, for no other reason than to keep him as far away from the mission and the people executing it as possible.

I think if we can trust pilots enough to drop 2000 pound bombs we can trust them to be careful with a coke and hamburger in the cockpit. LOL.

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 15, 2006 - 12:28 AM Posts: 760

FDiron wrote:

I think if we can trust pilots enough to drop 2000 pound bombs we can trust them to be careful with a coke and hamburger in the cockpit. LOL.

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May 7, 2007 A spilt cup of coffee may have caused last Thursday's emergency landing at Ohakea Air Base which disrupted the travel plans of 122 passengers.

Two investigations are probing the cause of the electrical fault that grounded the 737 but Air New Zealand has revealed that coffee was spilt over a control panel earlier in the day.

Air New Zealand has said a "minor electrical fault" was the "likely cause" of the late night drama when fumes filled the cockpit of the aircraft and forced an emergency landing.

But one passenger is demanding answers after being told that coffee was spilt on switches in the flight deck. North Shore MP Wayne Mapp says several people were anxious and it's a significant thing to be diverted.

"Air New Zealand needs to tell the public what went wrong, what they're going to do to fix it," says Mapp who was one of several politicians travelling on flight 476 from Wellington to Auckland.

The pilot left passengers in no doubt about the danger.

"People were quite concerned on board, he made it clear that it was a dangerous situation," says Labour's Te Atatu MP Chris Carter.

Engineers have found evidence of electrical arcing in the cockpit door locking switch but an internal memo obtained by ONE News says: "We do know that coffee was spilt over this area earlier in the day." It goes on to say: "It is possible that unseen fluid contamination caused the arcing."

Air New Zealand won't discuss the coffee incident because official investigations are under way. But the airline says there was no need to remove the plane from service because engineers had replaced all the parts they believed were affected.

But Mapp says the company needs to be open to the public on the incident.

The airline says there was no lapse in safety procedures, but the internal memo asks flight crew "to be extra vigilant when passing drinks between crew members". And they have also been reminded that fluids must never be passed over the control pedestal.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411424/1106177

Are you familiar with military aircraft? Something tells me that military cockpits are a bit more "hardened" if you will with regards to liquids than civilian cockpits. My reasoning for this presumption is the manner in which the cockpits are entered. Most civilan aircraft, especially airliners, are entered via a door with very little chance of any sort of liquid such as precipitation entering the cockpit during entry. Tactical military jets (fighters like we're talking about here) are entered by raising the canopy which exposes the cockpit to all manner of weather especially in the Navy. Tomcat flight crews had to fly in bad weather and didn't have the benefit of a cover or hangar for the cockpit if it's raining or snowing.

The only time I'd get on one of these pilots for doing something is if it's prohibited in the TOs or in some other standing order. These videos have been around for years and the appropriate command elements have had all the time they needed to stop any actions they deem unsafe. I'll leave it up to the command structure to decide what's a good idea and what's not.