Oops got my original post wrong, aircraft sourced from Tyndall I found it funny as Langley categorically denied to me any plans to send any aircraft to Europe.

The official reason why no decision has been finalised until July is that they want to make absolutely sure there will be no software problems like the embaressment which is understandable!

Re: the Typhoon engagements, the Air Vice Marshall David Walker (OC 1 Group, Strike Command) has acknowledged engagements have occured against the F-22.

Andy

I'll dig them out later on today for you (its past 0100 here and I need sleep!), he doesn't go into detail about engagement results but goes on how with further development, they will become more or less equals saying how as tactics in the past have proved, its how you utilise what you've got that gets you over obstacles. (which in my personal opinion is a big hint they did defeat the stealth tech somehow!). One thing of note was that he said there is absolutely no difference in cockpit design or technology between the aircraft which he said was striking being as the F-22 cost 3 times as much.

I suppose really no-one will ever know the real results of the engagements, however what I can gather from the lads at CBY (where I spend alot of my time) is that in WVR, the two were equally matched winning an equal number of engagements. Remembering at that time neither had a HMS, which makes those results interesting; although when you then take into account the TVC of the F-22 but no HOBs and the fact Typhoons were packing HOBs its understandable. In BVR, the Typhoon did score a few victories, however it seems the F-22's were carrying external stores (like fuel tanks) at the time which would of made it stand out on radar. Mainly though as to be expected by anyone, in BVR the Typhoon got its butt kicked by the F-22.

Anyway that discussion is for another thread!!!!!

I want to know if I finally get to photograph a Raptor without having to resort to travelling to the states by air for the Nellis air show with all my camera gear!!!!

It is interesting that there is a full six week gap in the Raptor display schedule around RIAT, infact I believe the six weeks are the same six weeks that the Thunderbirds are in Europe!

Andy

I appreciate your interesting and informative comments. Even if the Typhoon did score just a few victories in BVR engagements (if true, of course), that is immensely troubling, given that 1. the Raptor costs 3 times as much and that 2. the Raptor has an AESA and the Typhoon does not. What will happen when the Typhoon gets its own AESA??? Again, this is all providing the rumor mill over there is true. If it is, the USA will have just thrown billions of dollars in the garbage. And the Eurofighter consortium should get its butt to Japan, South Korea, Australia and Israel immediately and let them know they can get as good a fighter for half the price or less. So much for the (allegedly) invincible (and hardly invisible, apparently) Raptor...

Here is a video from the Langley Airshow (F-22 on friday)... thank you to whoever uploaded it! =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUgPscDjf7U

Please let us go back to the original thread of this topic (not related to Eurofighter vs F-22A)!



Thanks for posting this hot video link, zeroyon04! I like the sequences about at 1:50, 5:30 and 6:30 of this clip (running time 08:56), and also the precise heritage flight.

Meanwhile, also on <a href="http://www.youtube.com">youtube.com</a>, the same person (username = eubankrs) posted a second very nice clip from the F-22 demo on Saturday (running time 09:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zhC5Wcf9O0

Very impressive in this second clip is the quick launch. But at least in my eyes, there were no significant "something specials" (as announced), and - in contrast to Point Mugu - both main weapon bays weren´t opened during any fly-by.

During the next couple of days, I will spend some more time to study past and current F-22 demo flight manoeuvres (Please understand: That´s a learning process to me).

What I saw from Langley, that was not the "awesome stuff", already performed by Russian Su-35s at the ILA Berlin airshow, Farnborough or Le Bourget.

I still await the photo stuff from checksixx.

Please let us go back to the original thread of this topic (not related to Eurofighter vs F-22A)!



Thanks for posting this hot video link, zeroyon04! I like the sequences about at 1:50, 5:30 and 6:30 of this clip (running time 08:56), and also the precise heritage flight.

Meanwhile, also on <a href="http://www.youtube.com">youtube.com</a>, the same person (username = eubankrs) posted a second very nice clip from the F-22 demo on Saturday (running time 09:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zhC5Wcf9O0

Very impressive in this second clip is the quick launch. But at least in my eyes, there were no significant "something specials" (as announced), and - in contrast to Point Mugu - both main weapon bays weren´t opened during any fly-by.

During the next couple of days, I will spend some more time to study past and current F-22 demo flight manoeuvres (Please understand: That´s a learning process to me).

What I saw from Langley, that was not the "awesome stuff", already performed by Russian Su-35s at the ILA Berlin airshow, Farnborough or Le Bourget.

I still await the photo stuff from checksixx.

Do you have a quote of his comments and did he comment on the outcome of those engagements? You may want to hold off on responding as I will soon start a thread regarding Jon Lake's article on the Eurofighter in the latest International Airpower Review, where he contends the Eurofighter not only waxed the Raptor in WVR engagements, but also BVR! Further, I will ask Lt. Col. Shower, aka Dozer, to comment on Lake's assertions, which are based on uncited sources, and which if false are offensive and slanderous, and if true, are alarming.

The official reason why no decision has been finalised until July is that they want to make absolutely sure there will be no software problems like the embaressment which is understandable!

And here's another, from a fellow over at Fencecheck. Toward the beginning and end of the video, the Raptor demonstrates yaw control authority I have never seen any other fighter approach. How the pilot does it, I haven't a clue, since the Raptor can only vector its thrust in the pitch axis...

Further, I will ask Lt. Col. Shower, aka Dozer, to comment on Lake's assertions, which are based on uncited sources, and which if false are offensive and slanderous, and if true, are alarming.

Very impressive in this second clip is the quick launch. But at least in my eyes, there were no significant "something specials" (as announced), and - in contrast to Point Mugu - both main weapon bays weren´t opened during any fly-by.

What I saw from Langley, that was not the "awesome stuff", already performed by Russian Su-35s at the ILA Berlin airshow, Farnborough or Le Bourget.

I still await the photo stuff from checksixx.

And here's another, from a fellow over at Fencecheck. Toward the beginning and end of the video, the Raptor demonstrates yaw control authority I have never seen any other fighter approach. How the pilot does it, I haven't a clue, since the Raptor can only vector its thrust in the pitch axis...
Regarding the Langley airshow, I believe the Raptor couldn't do a more "vertical" routine because of the lousy weather.