Forum: F-22A Raptor

Neno wrote:

X-Planes and Su37's...

The Su-37 is a one-off Russian X-Plane. Kinda like the F-16XL and F-15 ACTIVE...

You won't see any production fighters out there doing what the F-22 can do.

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Neno wrote:

Raptor_One wrote:

If you refuse to explain yourself clearly, I am going to assume you just don't know what you're talking about. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is the case already, but I'm trying to give you as many chances as possible.

OK, maybe my scholastic-level English make me explaining not clearly as you need..
Of course you're free to think what you want..
I'm not a pilot (and i'm an F22 fan, even if you don't believe'it) and "too heavy" MUST be an opinion cause there isn't any edge for say "ok now this A/C is too heavy", only putting it near to other you can have an idea,
I was supposed that it was less than 40000 lbs, it's just this !

Relax yourself Raptor_one, i can't see the problem...

The Su-37 weighs about 39,000 lbs empty; it's no lightweight...

Fighters have been growing larger.

Neotopia wrote:

The Su-37 weighs about 39,000 lbs empty; it's no lightweight...

Fighters have been growing larger.

Yeah, today's single -- the F-35 -- is roughly the weight of an F-15C. The only good thing is that it has practically just as much thrust, especially dry thrust.

Neotopia wrote:

The Su-37 is a one-off Russian X-Plane. Kinda like the F-16XL and F-15 ACTIVE...

OK You'r right.

Neotopia wrote:

You won't see any production fighters out there doing what the F-22 can do.

And why the 37 couldn't became a production fighters?? Shocked

would you tell me that is not a reliable A/C !?? Laughing

Ok, seriously.. the 37 or some evolutions of it could well be produced now or some day not far.. For this i'm worried, i'ts obvious that Raptor excel over todays's fighters, but remember that Raptor wasn't build in a day !!

Neno wrote:

Neotopia wrote:

The Su-37 is a one-off Russian X-Plane. Kinda like the F-16XL and F-15 ACTIVE...

OK You'r right.

Neotopia wrote:

You won't see any production fighters out there doing what the F-22 can do.

And why the 37 couldn't became a production fighters?? Shocked

would you tell me that is not a reliable A/C !?? Laughing

Ok, seriously.. the 37 or some evolutions of it could well be produced now or some day not far.. For this i'm worried, i'ts obvious that Raptor excel over todays's fighters, but remember that Raptor wasn't build in a day !!

It could, but there is no effort to make it into one. And, if it does become Russia's next generation fighter, then we we have nothing to worry about. It offers nothing to challenge an F-35 or F-22 other than extreme agility, and extreme agility is something which is obsolete even in a dogfight. It is not obsolete because of stealth, it is obsolete because you cannot dodge an AIM-9X or IRIS-T or R-73 or anything with it, and you cannot use it to stay out of the enemy's missile firing sector (which ranges from about 130 to 360 degrees.

Forum: F-22A Raptor

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