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 Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 04:04 AM
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| Hello all, I just got the Tamiya 1/48th F16 Block 59, and it is a great kit. However, Tamiya stated the weapons supplied with the kit are a "SEAD loadout". I am wondering why you would have AIM 9s and AMMRAMs loaded at the same time? Wouldn't you have Cluster Bombs or LGB's to handle the AAA that is around every SAM site that I have seen described on the net and books? Thanks in advance for any and all help, Joel Smith. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 02:45 AM
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depending on the load, but for the most part it would be two tanks, two agm-88s and with 3 aim-120 and 1 aim-9 or 2 120's and 2 9's
the 88 can be shot far away to take out sam sights, and not put the plane in danger once that threat is gone they can go back and get any AAA with GBU or jdams |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 08:28 AM
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| ICBW but pre-canned mission specific loadouts can and do change over time and as needs dictate. When the Viper first started SEAD duties, the "2xAMRAAM 2XAIM-9 plus HARM and tanks" load was pretty standard. But the load can be changed to reflect current intel or expected threat environments. The addition of extra A2G stuff along with HARM is fairly recent I think. |
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 03:15 PM
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| There are a few reasons you want AIM-9's with 120's. First, the goal is always to shoot them down BVR and you can't do that with an AIM-9. However, in the event that you visually have to ID an aircraft, I'd rather use a -9 because of its min range compared to the -120. Depending on the scenerio, we will either launch a 4-ship all loaded out with 2 AGM-88's each or we can have mixed elements of HARM's and LGB's. This gets into a different tactic we commonly refer to as DEAD or Destruction of Enemy Air Defense. We don't normally train to CBU's in a DEAD environment. Off hand I don't know the PD and I would have to crunch some numbers only to probably not be able to post them here anyway. Anyway, to answer your question, SEAD loadout 3x1xG with 2 HARM's. DEAD loadout 2 jets in a SEAD config with the other 2 3x1xG with 2-4 LGB's. |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2008 - 01:57 PM
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Do Block 50/52 Wild Weasels operationally use AGM-65s for SEAD or DEAD environment?
If so how many AGM-65s are carried per Weasel Viper?
During the Vietnam War, specially during Linebacker 2, a pair Wild Weasels would be paired with CBU-armed F-4Es to deal with SAM and AAA sites; this was called the Hunter-Killer Team. Does this practice exist today with the Weasel Vipers?
Finally, are Mk.82s used for DEAD / SEAD roles? |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2008 - 07:10 PM
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rickster25 wrote:
Do Block 50/52 Wild Weasels operationally use AGM-65s for SEAD or DEAD environment?
If so how many AGM-65s are carried per Weasel Viper?
During the Vietnam War, specially during Linebacker 2, a pair Wild Weasels would be paired with CBU-armed F-4Es to deal with SAM and AAA sites; this was called the Hunter-Killer Team. Does this practice exist today with the Weasel Vipers?
Finally, are Mk.82s used for DEAD / SEAD roles?
Rickster,
The Mk 82's are so-called dumb bombs, meaning they fall more or less unguided and as such is more difficult to hit what you aim at. Only the Mk 82 modified to GBU-38 standard have a "target-finding" ability.
Only 2 AGM-65's are carried. Several topics on here that detail why and how. Whether the mission is SEAD or DEAD I belive doesn`t matter - you take out your target anyway  |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2008 - 01:52 AM
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thanks boman. 
but one question remains, do the Vietnam War Hunter-Killer team concepts are still practiced by today's Wild Weasel Vipers?
I plan to build a pair of Wild Weasel Vipers, one is armed with a pair of HARMs and the other is loaded with either a pair of AGM-65s or GBU-35s. It seems that these Vipers carry symetrical loads or always a pair of the same weapon.  |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2008 - 07:09 AM
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Boman
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Posted: Mar 08, 2008 - 04:25 PM
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There are many alternative loads that can be carried. Don`t have all the details, but one can carry CBU's while the other carry Harm - no problems there.
As for mixing, well you always have the modellers licence to do what you like. It is up to you. If real-life loads are what you are after, I suggest that you search this site for details.  |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2008 - 05:28 PM
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thanks chandawg and again, boman.  |
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