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A couple of years ago, I had the chance to review an Air Combat Command (ACC) initiative.

They (ACC) were championing A Production Superintendent Course had been produced, ACC types were going to be the "test bed" for the this course.

I was wondering how that course turned out, have any of you folks taken or even heard about the course, did it make its way to USAFE or PACAF?

Just wondering how it turned out and if it was successful or not?

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USAFE had one in the late 90's. It wasn't very good, they really only taught things that you had already picked up over time in the school of hard knocks. It was like the advanced Crew Chief class they had in those days, by the time you got to go you already knew all the tasks that were taught

Last edited by Meathook on Mar 16, 2007 - 01:47 PM; edited 1 time in total

OK, this one was introduced two years ago (Course number Y140009), I have a copy of it....I thought it wasn't bad but I also agree there is nothing like learning it the hard way....hands on experience

Here are some of the references used in that course....

TO 00-20-1
AEROSPACE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE INSPECTION,
DOCUMENTATION, POLICIES, AND PROCEDURES

ACC INSTRUCTION 21-165
Maintenance
AIRCRAFT FLYING AND MAINTENANCE
SCHEDULING PROCEDURES

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 10-207
AIR COMBAT COMMAND
Supplement 1
Operations
COMMAND POSTS

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 21-101
Maintenance
AEROSPACE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE
MANAGEMENT

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 21-101
AIR COMBAT COMMAND
Supplement 1
Maintenance
AEROSPACE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE
MANAGEMENT

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 21-103
AIR COMBAT COMMAND
Supplement 1
Maintenance
EQUIPMENT INVENTORY, STATUS AND
UTILIZATION REPORTING

We have a ccd for a prod super class here but its never taught.

akruse21...I'll make a copy of this if you like, you can see if it will "fly" at the Heath....it might give you an "edge" Smile

A few more bits and pieces from that course.....(I hope they open for you folks)

Meathook wrote:

akruse21...I'll make a copy of this if you like, you can see if it will "fly" at the Heath....it might give you an "edge" Smile

we dont use the one we have. Nobody ever gets scheduled for it so its never taught. Doesn't hurt my feelings any.

understand.....school of hard knocks always worked for me too.....best way in most cases might be good for FMS types though (who knows)...have a good weekend

Newbie Joined: Mar 13, 2007 - 12:02 AM Posts: 13

yeah they teach it here at aviano every one in awhile

Class would be a good idea for some. I've suffered through a line that was run by a weapons guy a few times. He almost knew what an F-177 was. No clue, but knew what to kiss and became the dayshift PS for the 9th FS.

yea, there always seems to be or two that get through that way...shame huh

cutlassracer wrote:

Class would be a good idea for some. I've suffered through a line that was run by a weapons guy a few times. He almost knew what an F-177 was. No clue, but knew what to kiss and became the dayshift PS for the 9th FS.

Yea, I agree ... the line is pretty screwed up when supervision is trying to groom a BB Stacker or a Pointy Head

At least you can Bulshit them Laughing

I reviewed the initial course when I was at ACC, and I attended the course out at Hill to validate it. It was an OK course, but di dnot add very much to a seasoned flightline guy.

We hardly ever send anyone to the course, and for it to meet the guys needs, it needs to have more scheduling, ASD, and supply information built into the course.

I have seen some BB stackers who weree good supers, but others have really sucked. I think it is important to have a well rounded Pro Super running the line, and the more information and experience the better.

Stu

I agree with F-16Lifer. Working for a pro-super who is well rounded is better than just working for one who was a crew chief in some previous incarnation. Actually, one of the best expediters that I've ever worked for was a weapons guy. That was always an interesting thing: a weapons expediter for an APG section...

On the flip side of this, by "well rounded" I don't mean someone who has never/barely touched an F-16 before. Even F-15/A-10 guys don't seem to have a clue on how the F-16 operates, let alone someone off of, say, BUFFs. I'm not knocking them as people or their knowledge base, but when it comes to running the line for a 16 squadron, they are clueless for months (if they don't get "fired" first!)

wwb23 wrote:

I agree with F-16Lifer. Working for a pro-super who is well rounded is better than just working for one who was a crew chief in some previous incarnation. Actually, one of the best expediters that I've ever worked for was a weapons guy. That was always an interesting thing: a weapons expediter for an APG section...

On the flip side of this, by "well rounded" I don't mean someone who has never/barely touched an F-16 before. Even F-15/A-10 guys don't seem to have a clue on how the F-16 operates, let alone someone off of, say, BUFFs. I'm not knocking them as people or their knowledge base, but when it comes to running the line for a 16 squadron, they are clueless for months (if they don't get "fired" first!)

As you said, sometimes specilization can work against a person who is filling a more generalized role. Back in Phase at TJ, we knew all of our QA inspectors 'backgrounds' pretty well, and had 'inside knowledge' of their work schedule. The probability of passing an engine bay inspection goes WAY up when it is inspected by someone with a weapons or avionics background...

Mike

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