Forum: F-16 versus XYZ

How can the F-16 possibly win falconfan? Ohh, i just got it lol. First off the Rafale is going to be upgraded to be faster and have a better radar as well as METEOR. Anyways, the Snecma M88-2 turbofans provide the Rafale a top speed of about Mach 2 or greater and a thrust to weight ratio of 1.13. The F-16 has one of 1.095 as far as I know of and a top speed of about Mach 2. The Rafale has a good radar about as good as a F-16C but an F-16E probably has a better radar. Then there is the Thales SPECTRA, the U.S. was impressed(that's saying something). Rafale has better maneuverability because design, canards, delta-like wings, and other things. Rafale also has lower RCS. Rafale has some awesome electronics too. The MICA is pretty impressive being more maneuverable than a slammer. The greater distance of the slammer isn't much of an advantage because it'd be hard to lock on a low RCS plane that has SPECTRA. Plus you have to have an I.D. on the plane before you shoot it down. This won't matter at all once the Rafale gets METEOR though. The Rafale can also supercruise. I love the F-16 as much as any of you as it is my favorite plane but I'm not stupid enough to say that a 4th generation plane can win a fight with a 4.5 generation plane. Lucky we got the F-22 which would make this fight nonexistent. The U.S. would never put up a F-16 with a Rafale.

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Update about Rafale by a French

Collins review about Rafale
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... afale.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... nt-1939683
http://www.dedefensa.org/article-le_raf ... _2009.html

Red Flag 2009
http://www.skycontrol.net/military-avia ... e-fighter/

Luke Exercice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4qDLUHvUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw

Score 6 F16 Shoot and 2 Rafales.
Listen english if it's possible at 1:44 on the second video about Luke exercice.

"Rafale is only (unique) and most agressive than the F16"

In conclusion, Rafale is a good bird, not the best due to the F22.

In addition in Afghanistan since 2001 with the Carrier C2G and the A2A Rafale F1 and now the Rafale F2 and Rafale F3 for ground attack. Rafale is combat proven and effective. Wink

Hello

French article about RAFALE versus Typhoon and F22

http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.f ... irats.html
http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2009/12/l ... e-est.html

and US Pilot F22

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... fra-2.html

http://g2globalsolutions.com/review/?p=3114

froe wrote:

I love the F-16 as much as any of you as it is my favorite plane but I'm not stupid enough to say that a 4th generation plane can win a fight with a 4.5 generation plane. Lucky we got the F-22 which would make this fight nonexistent. The U.S. would never put up a F-16 with a Rafale.

Actualy a victory over rafale in an F-16 is possible, because the french plane is better but not that much better. PoAF trains regularly against spanish typhoons (wich is a better interceptor and AA platform than the rafale) and its reported that Pilot skill and tactics still make a difference because both types can still be detected and locked unlike the F-22.

Sure its hard but has been donne numerous times. You wont find results though, neither do I. This comes "as is" from what the pilots could tell me (and others like spotters etc).

Actualy a victory over rafale in an F-16 is possible, in one out of 10 engagements mostly when a rookie in Rafale meets an experienced pilot in F-16 . The Rafale today can out-accelerate, out-turn, out-climb the VIPER in all flight regimes..

Hello everyone from the glorious (and wet) United Kingdom haha.
first of all i must say i find this website very interesting as there is a lot of information available and it is a very good read.
However do not worry Very Happy

i am not about to go on about "Russia builds the best jets!"
Because this is simply not always the case.

However i do find myself interested in topics against ideally two freindly strike aircraft.

If i had to pick a craft out of the two i would steer slowly towards the Rafale.
Many comments seem to mention range. Surely it must be mentioned that the Rafale is a carrier borne aircraft? Therefor if needed the Rafale would have a greater range than the F-16? Then there is a higher sustained turn rate and climb of the Rafale? the Rafale (to what i have seen and heard) also has better avionics.
In a dogfight i do think that the Rafale would have a large upper hand.However ground attack could and probably would be a different story.
love the versatility of the F-16. For a craft that had its first flight in the early 70's to still be one of the best in the front line today is astonishing.

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F-16 versus Rafale