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The F-22 learns how to play well with others



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idesof
PostPosted: Feb 21, 2007 - 08:56 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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From Harold C. Hutchison over at strategypage.com: <a href="news_article2196.html">The F-22 learns how to play well with others</a>

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Recent "Red Flag" air combat exercises at Nellis Air Force Base have been dominated by the F-22 again. After a two-decade development program and tons of criticism about its price tag, the F-22 is proving to be worth every penny. However, the real process that will make the F-22 dominate in the air was not so much the lengthy gestation and development of the F-22 by the United States Air Force, but what is going on now.

Through exercises like Red Flag, American pilots are learning how to apply the F-22's strengths in combat situations. This is an old process, and has happened before. For example, back in early 1942, the Japanese Zero was considered the best naval fighter plane in the world. Often, U.S. F4F Wildcats were shot down when they tried to dogfight. However, Navy and Marine pilots eventually began to learn how to use the strengths of the F4F through tactics like the Thach Weave, and eventually, the Wildcat was able to hold its own against the Zero. It worked, but it was expensive in terms of planes – and more importantly, pilots – lost in battle.

The breakthrough in learning a plane's weaknesses and strengths in combat without the heavy losses began after studies during the Vietnam War indicated that a pilot's chances of survival increased after the first ten missions he flew. Today, the mistakes made in those missions don't get made on the battlefield, they are made during a training exercise like "Red Flag" or the navys "Top Gun". The razzing from fellow pilots and the resulting embarrassment might be tough to deal with, but it beats being shot down.

The exercises are also showing just how good of a plane the F-22 is. In hundreds of simulated engagements against multiple aircraft like the F-15 and F-16, the F-22 has dominated. Still, keeping in mind how the "inferior" F4F was able to hold its own against the Zero, the Air Force has been emphasizing the ability of the F-22s to work together with not just F-22s, but other planes. The latest exercises featured the F-22 working with Tornados, Typhoons, F-15s, F-16s, F-111s, and F-117s.

The Air Force has been serious about making the F-22 the best fighter in the world, and addressing the issues that come with it. With the R&D costs recouped, new F-22s will be more affordable to build as long as the production line is running. That is the only question about the F-22's future.
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Is that "The latest exercises featured the F-22 working together with ...Typhoons..." a typo? When did this happen, I did not hear the Typhoon being mentioned as a participant in Colonial Flag.

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Typhoons I thought were there for other test stuff. Hmmm..... Damn RAF never includes me in on the daily brief. Laughing

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Yes I've spotted this to, as far as I am aware the Typhoons at Nellis have not taken part in Flag; only the RAF Tornado's. I will investigate.

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Haha, the Typhoon wasn't there. Who writes this stuff?

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Laxman wrote:
Haha, the Typhoon wasn't there. Who writes this stuff?


Exactly how I feel!
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Well, I wasn't out over the Nellis range for Red Flag, but I can guarantee that Eurofighter Typhoons were in the area Wink .

Check out Eurofighters on the Las Vegas Strip!

Here's photographic proof as well Cool .



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I guess what is meant was the Typhoon wasn't there to participate in RF.
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Here is some potential help....

http://www.nuforc.org/

National UFO Reporting Center. Laughing

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parrothead wrote:
Well, I wasn't out over the Nellis range for Red Flag, but I can guarantee that Eurofighter Typhoons were in the area Wink .

Check out Eurofighters on the Las Vegas Strip!

Here's photographic proof as well Cool .


Typhoons in the area and they wouldn't take the opportunity to take part in Red Flag? Are you kidding me? That's like saying an Irish man would refuse a free pint of Guiness. No offense meant to any Irish men out there, of course Wink
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idesof wrote:
parrothead wrote:
Well, I wasn't out over the Nellis range for Red Flag, but I can guarantee that Eurofighter Typhoons were in the area Wink .

Check out Eurofighters on the Las Vegas Strip!

Here's photographic proof as well Cool .


Typhoons in the area and they wouldn't take the opportunity to take part in Red Flag? Are you kidding me? That's like saying an Irish man would refuse a free pint of Guiness. No offense meant to any Irish men out there, of course Wink


LMAO !

Just to clear up what I wrote, I happened to find the Typhoons out on the Strip, so I know they were in the area. I'm just a civilian who was on my way to work where I tiol under draconian conditions in the private sector in non-defense-related matters, so I can't say from personal, first hand knowledge that they did or did not participate Wink .

I figure that fighter pilots will be fighter pilots Whistle ...

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