Forum: Air Force Life

vinnie wrote:

Typical Active Duty mentality... Don't make it our problem, let's screw the Guard...

Ummm Active duty didn't screw the guard...she screwed the guard. Then again, in one context or another, thats not exactly a bad thing! Evil or Very Mad

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MechFromHell wrote:

vinnie wrote:

Typical Active Duty mentality... Don't make it our problem, let's screw the Guard...

Ummm Active duty didn't screw the guard...she screwed the guard. Then again, in one context or another, thats not exactly a bad thing! Evil or Very Mad

Ha, nice.

I disagree with you swanee. The active duty side released her from her EAD commitment, because she broke the rules while serving in an active duty billet. They turned her over to her host Guard unit, because they actually have jurisdiction over her, and will decide her disposition. Having worked in the legal profession, I dealt with similar jurisdiction issues all of the time.

I expect that the Guard will discharge her as well. The same rules still apply to her, even when in the Guard. Plus, essentially being kicked out of an EAD billet will be a black mark on her record in the ANG.

TC wrote:

I disagree with you swanee. The active duty side released her from her EAD commitment, because she broke the rules while serving in an active duty billet. They turned her over to her host Guard unit, because they actually have jurisdiction over her, and will decide her disposition. Having worked in the legal profession, I dealt with similar jurisdiction issues all of the time.

I expect that the Guard will discharge her as well. The same rules still apply to her, even when in the Guard. Plus, essentially being kicked out of an EAD billet will be a black mark on her record in the ANG.

I agree with you. I wasn't really being serious with that remark, though there is some interesting politics involved between Guard and AD folks. (I'm not trying to start any fights or anything, just making an outside observation.)

I didn't realize until this thread that she was a Guardsman on an Active duty tour. Wow... Not only does this black ball her, but what about the unit she is/was attached to?
If her slot was anything like an AGR slot, they aren't easy to get, and the last thing you want to do is make your unit look bad while you are there.

swanee wrote:

If her slot was anything like an AGR slot, they aren't easy to get, and the last thing you want to do is make your unit look bad while you are there.

True. I've known of some ARTs who lost their civilian jobs for whatever indiscretion they were guilty of. It would seemingly make life a little difficult for someone who was fired from their civilian job in the exact same location as their Reserve job. Laughing

She knew what she was doing, I am glad she got kicked out

Disrespect is Disrespect, whether its disrespect to your unit or the uniform you wear. My hat is off to whoever is behind removing her from active duty. Now maybe she can pursue her career in the porn industry.

Hey wait a minute. Two pages of posts and no pictures yet. Are we slipping or are they on Doh

some other thread??

I can tell you that in her husbands unit at Lackland, if you even mention this whole thing in any part or form, its an automatic Article 15.

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maddog2840 wrote:

Hey wait a minute. Two pages of posts and no pictures yet. Are we slipping or are they on Doh

some other thread??

For pictures, you indeed need to review the original thread: <a href="f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-7270-start-0.html">Playboy photos USAF Female SSgt [warning: 18+]</a>

Tim wrote:

Disrespect is Disrespect, whether its disrespect to your unit or the uniform you wear. My hat is off to whoever is behind removing her from active duty. Now maybe she can pursue her career in the porn industry.

I don't agree with you or with Meathook. Regular military militant logic: it's OK to kill a human body, but not to show one....

That makes sense only after too many years in the military.

fez.

Here's why I disagree with you fezt. You've never been in, so you don't present a very well informed argument. Here are excerpts from my posts on the other pages.

She was in a position where she was leading new troops. You can't break the standards of conduct (especially putting yourself in a position for potential sexual harrassment/misconduct), when you are trying at the same time to teach the rules to the newbies. You can't say "Do as I say, but not as I do." It doesn't work that way.

TC wrote:

If she were allowed to stay in, then that would be the only thing she would be remembered for. Up for a promotion? A medal? An award? A posh assigment, or position? "Oh yeah, aren't you the one who posed for the nudie pics?" She should have thought about that, before posing.

TC wrote:

Back to my original post, her actions go against AF standards of conduct. As an MTI, she should know this by heart, and backwards. If she's wrong for nothing else, she didn't practice what she preached, and she's in a position where she was leading newly indoctrinated Airmen, most of whom wouldn't have known any better.

Once again though, it's not like she could pose for Playboy and then continue her AF career. Sierra like that follows you around, and everybody will know who you are.

TC wrote:

Here's why I disagree with you fezt. You've never been in, so you don't present a very well informed argument. Here are excerpts from my posts on the other pages.

She was in a position where she was leading new troops. You can't break the standards of conduct (especially putting yourself in a position for potential sexual harrassment/misconduct), when you are trying at the same time to teach the rules to the newbies. You can't say "Do as I say, but not as I do." It doesn't work that way.

I have never been in what?
did she break any rule? if she did i then let me know and i will agree with you.
if she didnt then i dont know whats the problem, so what if she is leading new troops, didnt they ever see the human body? and i dont buy the sexual harrasment thing either, most people who got sexually harassed were never on playboy and most girls on playboy never got harassed after they were...
again you are just giving the old tune a new spin "killing OK, showing breasts..bad" not buying it myself.
fez.

No, I'm giving the "Obey the Mike Foxtrot rules or take your @$$ home" tune a spin. That's not just for breaking the rules by posing for adult magazines, but for anything. I understand that there are regulations in place that govern my conduct, so I obey them. The standards of conduct are as plain as day in the UCMJ, and are taught to servicemembers over and over. She obviously missed that point (or didn't care), so she does not need to be in a position where she would be instructing new troops on those standards of conduct.

If nothing else, as I said before, she did something that brought a lot of negative attention to herself. It would follow her around anywhere she goes, and you don't need a someone like that in your unit. It can start a bad ripple effect, which eventually affects other members of the unit. I've seen it occur in drug, DUI, and sexual harrassment cases. Trust me, you don't want to be in a unit where Sierra like this is happening.

Again, some of you who have never been in, like to come into these threads just to stir the hornet's nest, so to speak. It's not that I'm trying to be discriminatory, or anti-women in the military. Far from it. I do have a problem with people disobeying the rules while serving in a position preaching those same rules to lower-ranking troops. I don't have a problem with people posing for adult magazines. Just don't do it while in a position of that nature. Wait until you are a civilian.

again, what is "never been in" you keep repeating that and im not sure what you want...
what rule did she break? you haven't told me yet.
i dont have a problem with posing nude, not in the military and not any place, the human body is nothing to be shamed about.
fez.

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Drill Sgt who posed for Playboy removed from active duty