Forum: Air Force Life

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stefaan

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wow...the ribbons really messed him up?

Probably didn't like his name and face plastered everywhere to be talked about?

Don't know but it was a mistake that most guys would not want to broadcast in such a public photo I guess (it looked like an official photo too - nice photo I thought)...damn shame he or someone did not check that closer.

Out of order ribbons and a double ribbon posted, not the image of a "Chief", that is not something you see (or want to see ) everyday (least I never have)..anyway, maybe it is best it went away (it would have embarrassed me too)...if that was the issue, oh well we will all get over it....

He has a hell'va great career going for himself so I am sure he will laugh it off later (after a few beers).

And yea... it got ugly, guess it is my fault.

I just wondered how he found time to do or finish so much of his education while working so hard. I remember how bad it was in my era, guess that started a flame war, so much for me asking that question.

Hell, I thought the guy did great, I just wondered how in the hell he was able to do it while doing everything else we always did on the line. I saluted his efforts and stated he did well, I was just surprised, still am but I guess when there is a will, there is a way...glad he pulled it off.

Anyway...good on him, shame the picture caused some flack but that happens (silly huh), man if some of the folks that knew me saw a picture like that of me (screwing up the ribbons)...I would never have heard the end of it , I'd be buying beers until I was blue in the face Smile

maybe that is what he felt too...

I know a chief that would say "How can you work on a fighter jet when you cant get somthing simple like a uniform right???" He would then go on about A-T-D... and how you will kill a pilot if you dont sharpen up.

OH yea, heard those discussions a few times myself in my past.

I hear ya, knew a few Chiefs like that myself, that lead by example and they were spot on all of the time (I miss those guys, many did set a fine example, some others were just E9's taking up space, we got to see a bit of both)...I hear ya, but better this poor guy found that out now then to have some O-6 "Wing King" ask him what the hell he is doing....it happens but I am sure he will get a new picture Smile

I really hope it wasn't because of the ribbon discrepancy. Stuff like that happens time to time. It's no big deal.

Going off on memory, that Chief-select's education and past accomplishments were very impressive. I, too, am the type who respect people who lead by example rather than a pencil pusher, regardless of rank or position. I would not ask anyone to do something that I wouldn't or couldn't do myself. That SMSgt looks to be a doer and very deserving of being a Chief.

Speaking of education, the current CMSgt Of The Air Force Rodney J. McKinley has more education now than most people get in their entire lives.

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=8503

I know, times are changing, it is actually nice to know that too, not the force it used to be, that's for sure (and that's good for America, no doubt about it). That link above is amazing, quite the BIO on that man...WoW Outstanding for sure!

Well, since most college courses are online these days, as long as you've got a laptop, you've got a classroom. Easier to go to school these days.

Meathook,

I was going to mention this on the other thread, and decided to let it die when it was deleted.

But since you brought it back up...

Like the Chief-select, I'm a SMSgt who's been on the flightline most of my career. I had a stint as an FTD instructor where I did nothing more education-wise than CLEP two CCAF degrees. I had plenty of time to take classes then, but wasn't exactly into it at the time.

Then, about 10 years ago, I realized I'd one day have a life on the outside, so I began to sacrifice my personal time in exchange for an education. I still worked 50+ hour weeks, but gave up luxuries like sleep and family life in order to get my bachelor's degree. I took some time off and then started in on my master's. I won't quite have it knocked out by the time I retire next year, but I'll get it finished eventually, on my own dime.

It's pretty presumptuous for you to categorize someone who makes a decision to obtain an undergraduate or post-graduate degree as doing anything other than an honest day's work. Do you somehow imagine you can make Senior or Chief without pulling your weight on the flightline? Sure, there have been exceptions throughout the AF's history, but those are rare exceptions.

It's certainly a downer to get six weeks into a course (or three) only to go home, pack your bags, and kiss your family goodbye for six months. I've done that a couple times. And when I got back, I stopped by the Ed Office and signed right back up for another course.

You mentioned times have changed. You're right. We no longer look down our noses at people who do things other than party on their free time.

Not ever having been in the military, I noticed something abpout the troops I knew in Iraq. There seemed to be a lot less "division" between the officer and enlisted people than I'd imagine there would be. It might have been because a lot of them were reservists, but many of the E-4s and 5s were professionals in their civillian lives...one guy in the fire dept. was a lawyer. Most of them had degrees and several were very successful business owners. Even the younger guys had a lot of college.

Is that the case in the "regular" units? I get the feeling from many people that having an enlisted career is a choice rather than a necessity.

Pointyhead..you guys sure missed my point, I already said I was surprized but if you guys want to continue to go off the deep end with this...by all means. please do so....I already made my points on it clearly

I just wish this bull$hit would die off already. Evil or Very Mad

Amen to that

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AfterburnerDecalsScott wrote:

Not ever having been in the military, I noticed something abpout the troops I knew in Iraq. There seemed to be a lot less "division" between the officer and enlisted people than I'd imagine there would be. It might have been because a lot of them were reservists, but many of the E-4s and 5s were professionals in their civillian lives...one guy in the fire dept. was a lawyer. Most of them had degrees and several were very successful business owners. Even the younger guys had a lot of college.

Is that the case in the "regular" units? I get the feeling from many people that having an enlisted career is a choice rather than a necessity.

No...thats not the case. Thats why most people like myself get out after 6.
You are not very well liked in the AD being an SRA(or any airman) and having more credentials then your bosses. (sorry for SP errors...its 230 here and I have enough bitburger in me to kill most non-ers;)

Would someone from eddies please chime in on my case.....
I'll give you a hint ...It involves a airman that has slaved for over 4 years telling a civilain I didnt like there artwork( and I dont care what people say..once you get a mark on you your OVER.. from then on your always guilty)... YES thats right folks civilians are better people.. If i wasnt making more money now then the Pricks that screwed me I would write a book. The title would read some thing like .. "shut up stupid..fix my 30+million dollar jet then sweep the floors" .... I really would not write it because I loved the guys i worked with and would not dishonor them.

anyways...this crap is getting old. good night.

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