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Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

Crappy housing while the LM Aero from Texas live like KINGS. For example we get a bed the has a thin a$$ cheap mattress that If you enjoy on it a time or two either the bed is going to fall apart or your gonna hurt your back cause the matress is sunk. It goes a heck of a lot further than the matress. How about those guys treating us like second class citizens (always talking down to the maintainers like were stupid). How about those LM AERO guys from TX all driving new cars that the company helped pay for while we all get crammed into a little mini bus. Now lets talk about the management, or there lack of. We all know how Sudam Insain ruled, well, there you go in a nut shell. These people will lie, show you false pictures to lure you over here, and then once your over here, theres no way outbesides quiting. Thats right theres been guys over here more than 2 years trying to get off the program and have applied to more than 30-50 jobs and they even get interviewed and nothing happens. Ft. Worth can't fill the positions over here (gee wonder why that is) so they won't let people out of these positions. Bull if you ask me. Will take questions now and will tell the truth of just how it is. I hope the moderators will not delete this post for people should know what there getting themselves into before they sign up. Ask about, parts availability, ask just who has to fix the jets (on the weekends without the Emirates) ask, for it's not a pretty picture. Evil or Very Mad

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Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

60 views and no questions about housing, managment, disparity of treatment, (I thought we were all Lockheed Martin? Obviously not), about k-ball rate, about back-shop not being able to keep up, about mandatory Overtime with thethreat if you don't work it is your job, about why is it they can't fill any of the jobs over here, about how I would say 80% if not more are trying to get off the program, but LM management won't let anyone (only 3 in 2 years got transfered off the program) out of here. Several have quit, like a revolving door in APG. Abuse us to get the contract and treat us like do-do.

My only question is if it's that bad then why are you still there. It's not that I doubt you or question your warning others, but if I was that miserable I would be on the next plane back to the states.

Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

Well what you try to do is look for another job to leap frog to. You just don't quit without something lined up. You try the Lockheed system that will most likely not go through (there are too many examples with guys who have degree's 4-6 years degrees that can not get off the program). Then you go the "other company route" which is what a lot are trying to do. Yeah, you could just quit, which a few have done, but the smart thing to do is to line up something and then put in you 30 day notice minus any vacation time you have saved up. Yeah it sucks but lets not be stupid about trying to find another job. Looking for other questions

Elite 2K Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Utah

You know, you sound pissed (sounds like a good reason to be).

I'll tell you first hand, I had problems with a company I flew for out of Texas. Contracts and salary went sour after a year, I was lied too far too often as well, you know what.... I quit. Moved my family, lock stock and barrel to Utah, it took a few months to land back on my feet and I don't regret it one bit.

You can do it, I had no job offerings either when I left but I trusted my skills and background and "knew" I would find work (worked hard at it too), so will you if you have some skills. Look, just don't bitch about it, write to LM Aero, tell them you will put the "truth" out ...as your calling it, I am sure they dont want bad "PR".

Sometimes you have to fight like hell to get treated correctly, if that don't work quit..it is that simple (if you except that fact). Might it be tough for a while, sure but what in life isn't!

You decide, fight , make things better or get the hell out of there, sh*t..what made you go there anyway...money?

You must have saved something right? Use it to get out, don't whine (no offense) but telling people not to be stupid about looking for another job sounds stupid in itself...don't you think?

Get off your a$$ and make some changes, I don't want to piss you off but only - U - can control your environment but thanks for the heads up for folks considering a move there, sounds like it blows goats!

You know, there is always a "law suit" you could bring up against LM Aero for mis-representation..if you wish to really get back at them Hell..write CNN or Foxnews, they love hearing crap like this.

Good luck dude...what's the old expression...sh*t or get off the pot - only you can change your enviroment but it sucks royal that they all lied about conditions there...that's business though.

Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

Yeah, I do see your point, and I also hear what your saying. The point of my post was so others could get a feel as to just what kind of an environment they might be headed to. That is why I was asking for questions about what was going on.

You also don't bring lawsuits against billion dollar companies that have ties to all kinds of resources. Ya gotta know just what battles you can win for I have been at this for quite a while and know what can and can not be done.

About changes, well once again your up against a pretty big entity.

No you didn't make me pissed, I like to see other peoples points of view. Yes I did save money, but I think it is a smart thing to do to jump to another job once lined up. Sure I could just leave, but I find it easier to line something up and then make the move, no since in making life any harder on myself than it already is.

just my two cents here, I think you would have a better shot at something if you are stateside. Being over there might make companys look the other way, especially if they need to do a interview with you. keep a positive attitude and I am sure things will work out.

So truthhurts what your telling us is don't apply for the UAE job thats on the Lockheed site?

Elite 2K Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Utah

Sure if you can tolerate it longer (living conditions that is) then hang tough and keep those "Resumes" pumping out, it might change for the better, how long you been there now?.

I agree that there are many places to look (Europe, USA etc), maybe you will meet someone there with "connections" at other locations or companies looking for maintenance related positions, network big time, try everything.

This site seems to list many too, maybe privately email one or two of the folks that posts jobs here, you never know where it might lead (worth a shot in my book).

If you really want to talk about the disadvantages of employment at this location for this company...find a way to post pictures that do not make it back to you (without identifying locations, markings, addresses or building numbers) when there is a will, there is a way.

Talk about the work environment, go into more detail, work hours, equipment and technical data available, spares etc...you know what I mean. How are you being treated downtown by the locals themselves, do you feel nervous there (terrorist type considerations).

Eating, clothes (work environment) any recreation available, is it expensive, there, how far does your money go. What wages (not exact) are you guys getting paid (aprox)...stuff like that, that means more than anything else for a long haul atny location.

Availability to purchase items needed (clothes, books, toiletries etc)...you see where I am going. What if anything, does LM Aero do about your conditions, what excuses do they come with not to help, was anything outlined in your interview or welcome package?

Think about it, there is lots for you to mention here while helping others not get sucked into what you did. If you are really willing to use your own experiences as an example to others, the word will get out and maybe save someone else the hardship you are tolerating...tough call though, not easy exposing your own conditions sometimes, maybe admitting you got sucker, it happens to us at all at some point in life huh..

Good luck...use those search engines, search everywhere, get that resume as clean and concise as possible. Thumb

Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

First you'll be contacted and they will paint a rosy picture out of Greenville, then some British sounding jackass (who will lie to lure you into this place and send you pictures of apartments that you will not be staying in) will contact you from the UAE and he will be your admin poc or should I say is your only representation for you over here that oh by the way plays golf with the Saddam Insane M/F that runs this place with an iron fist (you know the guy who threatens your job if you don't work on the weekends, even though your contract says there will not be any overtime, oh and there has to be overtime for some yahoo agreed to a fixed fmc rate. Get that a fixed fmc rate with no parts and only 60 maintainers for about 65 aircraft, that includes back-shops and other areas as well. So yeah thats right about 25, if that, of us on the flight-line and about the same, maybe a little more Emirates, but you have to remember they are about 3 levels if that and can only do so much, or will only do so much for they know that the Americans will fix their crap on the weekends so why should they bust a$$ to fix anything.

Then you get over here and you get into your run-down apartment in a 25 year old building that looks like hell, with construction going on all around you and the tile looks like hell, along with everything else. You go outside and the sidewalks are all jacked up along with trash all over the place. Meanwhile all the Areo people are living like Kings in beautiful highrises or two story brand-new villas with 15-25 grand worth of furnishings in them and sporting around in there new BMW's, Caprice or whatever and have servants and such. Oh and the British sounding lying fat **** who is your only representation is also living high on the hog in his apartment complex that none of us can live in (get that). It's just all jacked up, every aspect of the situation is all lop-sided. Everything from the amount of spares they bought (which back-shop can't keep up cause they don't have spares themselves or they are just too busy) to them agreeing to a fixed fmc rate to the amount of people to do the work to our living conditions as compared to the Aero peoples living conditions. I'm telling you people, and I have been over here for a while, I have seen a lot of people come and go. I have seen some damn good professional ex-Air Force people that had great attitudes turn and say that they are leaving as soon as possible. Have talked to a lot of new people over here and they are ready to leave themselves. What really gets to people over here is the disparity in the treatment of us maintainers vs. that treatment of the Areo people. For they get to have their families with them, their kids school is paid for, they get help with cars, new villas or apartments (2000-2700 sq ft apartments) get to have brand-new furniture which they pick out while we have cheap sh*t you would find at Wallmart or K-mart (made in Taiwan crap, which falls apart) that they have selected. This along with the prick threatening your job every time you turn around, we don't need that. oh and the fact that you can't get out of the place through the Lockheed job search tool for they will not let anyone off the program, they know it sucks, they see how many people have tried to get off the program, but their not going to fix it, they figure they'll get suckers (yeah I guess I am one, this is why I am spreading the word) to come over and thats good enough for them. Oh and treatment by the Emirate maintatiners and their crazy maintenance officer who goes off on people because his people don't want to work so they blame the Americans and fabricate lies to cover their a$$, then you have the Saddam Insane M/F going off on you and threatening your job. Really a person does not need to live like this, so I would really think twice before signing up for this ride if I was you. Oh and all I'm waiting for is a phone call from another employer and I'm outta here. Evil or Very Mad

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Oh and treatment by the Emirate maintatiners and their crazy maintenance officer who goes off on people because his people don't want to work so they blame the Americans and fabricate lies to cover their a$$, then you have the Saddam Insane M/F going off on you and threatening your job. Really a person does not need to live like this, so I would really think twice before signing up for this ride if I was you. Oh and all I'm waiting for is a phone call from another employer and I'm outta here. Evil or Very Mad

I normally don't get involved with posts like these because no one ever knows all the circumstances but I do have some questions.

The thread title would indicate that conditions are the same both in Oman and UAE. Do you work at both sites?

Does everyone from Greenville feel as strongly about the conditions there as you do? If so then I think that the whole group should be able to get the attention of management to make changes? Has that been tried?

Will you be violating a contract if you leave early? That can be a big problem if you plan on staying with the aerospace industry, (don't ask how I know this Surprised

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Just curious, do you work directly for LM out of Fort Worth or for ALC Greenville / DS2 (Defense Support Services), different companies, different T&C's. I am with a LM joint venture in San Antonio.

Elite 1K Joined: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 1034 Status: Offline

Boo Hoo...I'm sure your getting paid well. If you don't like it, leave. Anyone who thinks they're going to live like a king, on contract in a middle eastern country, is very mistaken.

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Newbie Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 7 Status: Offline

Do you work at both sites?

You hear what is going on next door through close sources that have been to both. Remember, there is support from other manufactures floating around.

Does everyone from Greenville feel as strongly about the conditions there as you do? If so then I think that the whole group should be able to get the attention of management to make changes? Has that been tried?

Man your talking about solidarity, You ever try getting a bunch of people who all have different situations to ban together to try to make a statement, nearly impossible. Most voice their opinion in the break-room but would not dare to voice it to management for they are scared of losing their job. Saddam got them that scared.

Will you be violating a contract if you leave early?

No, just give the 30 day notice minus vacation days and then get out of jail. Lot of strong arming going on over here with threats of being let go. Some of these guys don't have a pot to piss in so their not going to risk getting cut loose. Someone from Lockheed management should read this and maybe there would be some looking into it, but realistically does any of us really think anything would be done. Yo have got to be kidding me if you think anything would change. I just can't believe with the attrition rate and not being able to find paople to come over here that they continue to turn a blind eye, not to mention all the people trying to get outta here through their own job system which does not seem to work for us over here. Like I say a little of seeing things from our perspective just might do some good for the whole, but I'm not holding my breath.

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