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Last edited by dwightlooi on Nov 10, 2006 - 10:04 AM; edited 2 times in total

Is this an accurate, plausible and/or likely prediction on the future American AAM?

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NOTE: ALL WORKS FICTIONAL!

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I appreciate your enthusiasm but could you at least put "this is a FAKE concept put together by so-and-so" disclaimer at the bottom? (Yes, we all know the program itself is real.)

Not trying to sound like a harda$$ but I swear half the photos out there on various forums have people thinking these kind of things (photoshop, max, maya, whatever jobs) are real and it's a pain in the a$$ constantly correcting them. Can't tell you how many times I've had someone argue that a picture/program/whatever was real when it wasn't.

Sometimes it's just enthusiasts who make these like yourself and sometimes it's people trying a "let's see if my efforts are good enough to fool people" and pass them off as real. The former are great but without a disclaimer they end up confusing a lot of people. Bang Head

I think I began the post with "Is this an accurate, plausible and/or likely prediction on the future American AAM?". That should be clear enough that it is fictional.

The design reminds of an older SAM design used by US forces... RIM-8 Talos?

That had a similar ramjet design.

dwightlooi wrote:

I think I began the post with "Is this an accurate, plausible and/or likely prediction on the future American AAM?". That should be clear enough that it is fictional.

And when the graphic gets "out in the wild"? Obviously from your post it's fictional but were someone to post it to another board it becomes less clear. Some people come to these boards to learn along with the entertainment value. It's bad enough with people intentionally trying to pull a fast one (like "Researcher" who tried to pass this off as a "YF-24").

sferrin wrote:

dwightlooi wrote:

I think I began the post with "Is this an accurate, plausible and/or likely prediction on the future American AAM?". That should be clear enough that it is fictional.

And when the graphic gets "out in the wild"? Obviously from your post it's fictional but were someone to post it to another board it becomes less clear. Some people come to these boards to learn along with the entertainment value. It's bad enough with people intentionally trying to pull a fast one (like "Researcher" who tried to pass this off as a "YF-24").

That'll be unfortunate. But I think the text in the jpeg is also clearly fictional. I mean it talks about 2009, 2014 and 2016 in past tense. I don't think there'll be any doubt in anyone's mind that it is fiction even if it tries to be realistic and practical fiction. I supposed someone can crop out the text, but then again someone can crop out any line of text I put in there that brands the picture as fictional too.

dwightlooi wrote:

sferrin wrote:

dwightlooi wrote:

I think I began the post with "Is this an accurate, plausible and/or likely prediction on the future American AAM?". That should be clear enough that it is fictional.

And when the graphic gets "out in the wild"? Obviously from your post it's fictional but were someone to post it to another board it becomes less clear. Some people come to these boards to learn along with the entertainment value. It's bad enough with people intentionally trying to pull a fast one (like "Researcher" who tried to pass this off as a "YF-24").

That'll be unfortunate. But I think the text in the jpeg is also clearly fictional. I mean it talks about 2009, 2014 and 2016 in past tense. I don't think there'll be any doubt in anyone's mind that it is fiction even if it tries to be realistic and practical fiction. I supposed someone can crop out the text, but then again someone can crop out any line of text I put in there that brands the picture as fictional too.

I know. You'd be amazed what you see though. There were people that thought that Eagle hack was real (and it's not even that good) to the point where they got offended at those trying to correct them. I guess in the end there really isn't anything that can be done about it. Sorry for getting so riled about it it was nothing against you personally.

We've lost objectivity here... the topic is the discussion of the merits of this future missile program and how dwight's designs and capabilities reflect those of the new weapons system in development.

IMO, the intakes on the ramjet are a bit small. And the cone too large. Move the cone back a bit so the intakes are a bit larger.

Use the RIM-8 TALOS as a starting point.

I'll wait for the responses from the other thread before responding. I might get some better ideas? Question

http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/t ... erican+AAM

Actually, I was using this as a starting point. The Dual-Combustion Ramjet (hybrid Ramjet-Scramjet) is not entirely fictional even though it hasn't yet been applied to an AAM. The HyFly actually demonstrated sustained DCR motor stability and thrust at Mach 4+ conditions in a pressurized tunnel. It also completed a boost test in which the missile is able to utilize its solid booster to attain Mach 3 -- DCR ignition speed. The engine is designed to function at up to M6.5.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... /hyfly.htm

So that's what the're gonna use on the follow up to the Blackbird Very Happy

!!!

Just kidding of course, but I can see it...

Oh, its JDRADM, not ADRAM.

Its also supposed to have improved agility for 360* engagement. Which may mean TVC control vanes to get the missile facing the target, and then allowing it to use the ramjet for sustained long range engagement.

Since I am a frugal, practical person by nature I would really prefer not to waste the bandwidth of this site when the debate is in full swing over here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/t ... erican+AAM

Also, those OTHER sites tend to attract too many "what if/sci-fi" types who have far too much time on their hands. My apologies to the moderators if my views are out of line.

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