Forum: F-16 Armament & Stores

CBU-105s for Turkish Vipers?



Search Search  Register Register  Private Messages Private Messages
guidelines Forum Guidelines
Post new topic   Reply to topic   
View previous topic Log in to check your private messages View next topic
Author Message
J.J.
PostPosted: Nov 03, 2006 - 04:03 AM Reply with quote Back to top
Elite 2K
Elite 2K


Joined: Oct 20, 2005 - 09:12 PM
Posts: 2208

Status: Offline
Quote:
Providence Business News (November 2, 2006):

Textron Systems gets contract from U.S. Air Force

Textron Systems Corp. said it has received a foreign military sale contract from the U.S. Air Force, for the sale of the sensor fuzed weapon to the Turkish Air Force.

The sale of the weapon, also known as CBU-105, will equip the Turkish Air Force F-16 with a smart weapon able to destroy multiple moving or stationary land and maritime threats, with "minimum collateral damage," Textron Systems said.

"We are seeing strong international interest in this very versatile weapon since its impressive debut in Operation Iraqi Freedom," Tom Harrington, vice president of airborne products at Textron Systems, said in a news release. "Working together with the U.S. Air Force, Textron Systems is quite pleased to provide the Turkish Air Force with this powerful and proven weapon system."

Textron Systems serves the global aerospace and defense industries. It is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Avco Corp., which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Providence-based Textron Inc.

Current story link:
http://www.pbn.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/123423


Quote:
Mass High Tech (November 2, 2006):

Textron to supply Turkey with sensor fuzed weapons

Providence-based Textron Systems Corp. has won a contract from the U.S. Air Force for a weapon system order for the Turkish Air Force.

Textron Systems is expected to provide Sensor Fuzed Weapons, also known as CBU-105, for the F-16 aircraft. The weapons are designed to accurately detect and defeat stationary or moving land and maritime targets with minimal collateral damage, according to the company reports.

Company executives declined to release the amount of the contract. Textron Systems Corp. specializes in surveillance, advanced weapons, aircraft engines and aircraft control components. It is a subsidiary of Avco Corp., which is a subsidiary of Textron Inc., which reports $10 billion in annual revenue and employs 37,000 workers in 33 countries. Textron Inc. is based in Providence.

Current story link:
http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech ... from_rss=1


Please note: Currently, there is no related online press release on http://www.systems.textron.com. Their last online press release is still from October 25, 2006. But if I remember right, in the U.S. inventory the CBU-105 is a so-called Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser - WCMD. In fact, it´s a "dumb" CBU-97 SFW with Lockheed Martin's Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD) tail kit.
Sorry, but in this special case I must update myself. Please await further comments.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
Sponsor
New postPosted: May 23, 2013 - 4:47 PM Back to top
F-16.net Sponsor





  Send private message  
 
NATOVIPER
PostPosted: Nov 03, 2006 - 01:55 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Enthusiast
Enthusiast


Joined: May 23, 2006 - 06:47 PM
Posts: 44

Status: Offline
It's true

http://investor.textron.com/newsroom/ReleaseDetail.cfm?releaseid=216803

Quote:
Textron Systems Completes International Sale of Sensor Fuzed Weapon to Turkey

Wilmington, MA - November 1, 2006 - Textron Systems announced today that it has received a contract from the United States Air Force for a Foreign Military Sale (FMS) of the Sensor Fuzed Weapon (SFW) to the Turkish Air Force (TuAF). Also known as CBU-105, SFW will equip the TuAF F-16 with a smart weapon that can effectively destroy multiple moving or stationary land and maritime threats with minimal collateral damage while leaving no hazardous unexploded ordinance on the battlefield.

Tom Harrington, vice president, airborne products, Textron Systems, said, "We are seeing strong international interest in this very versatile weapon since its impressive debut in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Working together with the US Air Force, Textron Systems is quite pleased to provide the Turkish Air Force with this powerful and proven weapon system."

About the Sensor Fuzed Weapon

Known as CBU-97 and CBU-105, Textron Systems' Sensor Fuzed Weapon is the first and only combat-proven smart area weapon of its kind in U.S. Air Force inventory designed to accurately detect and defeat multiple stationary or moving land & maritime threat targets with minimal collateral damage. SFW's demonstrated lethality against armor makes CBU-105 an important force-multiplying capability for the warfighter. Its 40 smart Skeet warheads have both a hard and soft target capability and are equipped with two self-destruct modes and a self-neutralization feature to leave no hazardous unexploded ordnance on the ground, resulting in a clean battlefield.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
Loomis
PostPosted: Nov 06, 2006 - 08:55 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Enthusiast
Enthusiast


Joined: May 31, 2005 - 08:10 PM
Posts: 76

Status: Offline
J.J.,

Not sure what you meant by the -105 being a "dumb" -97. I believe it's the other way around: CBU-97 does not communicate with the aircraft and is launched ballistically; CBU-105 has a 1553 interface and will guide using INS.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
J.J.
PostPosted: Nov 06, 2006 - 10:46 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Elite 2K
Elite 2K


Joined: Oct 20, 2005 - 09:12 PM
Posts: 2208

Status: Offline
Sorry, Loomis! May be that "dumb" was not the right word. I used it in comparison with "dumb" bombs which become "smart" bombs with the JDAM tail kit. In case of the CBU-97/CBU-105, the manufacturer Textron Systems states:

Quote:
Known as CBU-97 and CBU-105, Textron Systems' Sensor Fuzed Weapon (SFW) is the first and only combat-proven smart area weapon of its kind in U.S. Air Force inventory designed to accurately detect and defeat multiple threat targets. Superior lethality makes it the standoff weapon of choice for anti-armor, anti-air defense and other air combat missions.

The SFW, a 1,000-pound class weapon, contains our own BLU-108 submunition and Smart Skeet warheads. Equipped with dual-mode passive infrared and active laser sensors on each warhead, one SFW can simultaneously detect and engage many fixed and moving land combat targets within a 30-acre coverage area.

Combat proven on April 2, 2003 in Operation Iraqi Freedom, SFW took out multiple Iraqi tanks in a single pass. SFW's 40 warheads are also equipped with timed self- de-activation modes for clean battlefield operation.

Source link:
http://www.systems.textron.com/index.ht ... trike.html


In a related SFW data sheet, Textron Systems also states:

Quote:
For high altitude release and active guidance (emphasized by me, J.J.), Lockheed Martin’s Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD) tail kit is available as an option. Incorporating the WCMD tail kit on CBU-97 redesignates SFW as a CBU-105. Aircraft must be MIL-STD-1760 compliant to deploy CBU-105.

SFW data sheet:
http://www.systems.textron.com/pdf/prod ... asheet.pdf


GlobalSecurity.org states:

Quote:
CBU-105 Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD)

The SFW is operationally effective when employed at low altitude using level or shallow angle dive deliveries. The weapon is most effective when employed at low altitude from level flight attitudes in a non-countermeasured environment. Due to TMD performance limitations, the current SFW weapon configuration provides the user a limited range of tactical employment options. Weapon effectiveness decreases as release altitude, dive angle, and/or time of flight increases because of adverse effects of wind conditions, weapon dispersion, and aim point uncertainties on delivery accuracy. This performance degradation is an inherent characteristic of all inventory TMD weapons. Due to these TMD accuracy limitations, the USAF Air Combat Command plans to outfit SFW with Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD) tail kit. The SFW's delivery envelope will be expanded to include strategic aircraft and higher altitudes through incorporation of the WCMD. The SFW with WCMD is designated CBU-105.

CBU-97 SFW can be delivered in all weather conditions, day or night, from altitudes of 200 to 20,000 feet, and at speeds up to 650 knots. By incorporating Lockheed Martin's Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD) tail kit on SFW, which then redesignated SFW as a CBU-105, the delivery altitude increases up to 40,000 feet and standoff ranges up to 12 miles can be achieved. Use of the WCMD tail kit requires the host aircraft to be MIL-STD-1760 compliant and have the CBU-105 operational flight program software resident in the weapon's control system.

Source link:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... bu-105.htm


Designation-Systems.Net states:

Quote:
CBU-97/B SFW (Sensor Fused Weapon): 415 kg (914 lb) anti-tank cluster bomb, consisting of 10 BLU-108/B in an SUU-66/B dispenser. A BLU-108/B unit carries four independent Skeet anti-tank submunitions. After release from the dispenser, each BLU-108/B descends under a parachute to a pre-set altitude. Then a small rocket sends the BLU-108/B upwards and into a rapid spin, so that the Skeet warheads are released outwards. Each Skeet falls independently, scanning the ground with its IR sensor for the signature of a tank. When a target is detected, the Skeet detonates, firing an EFP (Explosively Formed Penetrator) directly downward, and a ring of fragments outwards (against soft targets in the vicinity). If no target is detected, the Skeet explodes immediately above the ground.

Source link:
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app5/wcmd.html
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
Robust
PostPosted: Nov 07, 2006 - 02:29 AM Reply with quote Back to top
Enthusiast
Enthusiast


Joined: Mar 17, 2004 - 09:23 PM
Posts: 64

Status: Offline
TuAF is buying 50 CBU-103 WCMD and 50 CBU-105 WCMD as part of the F-16 CCIP program initiated last year.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
Rocky_LC
PostPosted: Nov 07, 2006 - 07:31 AM Reply with quote Back to top
Active Member
Active Member


Joined: Aug 21, 2004 - 07:03 AM
Posts: 101

Status: Offline
Why buy CBU-105's? Massed Greek Armor coming in to Edirne to capture the Tekirdag Tekel Factory? Or Georgians coming around the mountains on the Black Sea to capture the Hazelnut Farms of Gerisun?

I don't get why Turkey wants a weapon designed to defeat massed columns of armor. Sensor Fuzed Weapon was intended for the Fulda Gap scenario, and now has been enhanced with over-water capability.

Maybe "small swarming boats" from Kibris?

I don't want to seem like I am poking fun, but I don't understand why they would choose this weapon (based on the high cost of each of the submunitions). I can understand the "vanilla" WCMD's.....

Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks - Rocky
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
fiskerwad
PostPosted: Nov 07, 2006 - 08:10 AM Reply with quote Back to top
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran


Joined: Nov 13, 2004 - 07:43 PM
Posts: 706
Location: 76101
Rocky_LC wrote:
Why buy CBU-105's? Massed Greek Armor coming in to Edirne to capture the Tekirdag Tekel Factory? Or Georgians coming around the mountains on the Black Sea to capture the Hazelnut Farms of Gerisun?

I don't get why Turkey wants a weapon designed to defeat massed columns of armor. Sensor Fuzed Weapon was intended for the Fulda Gap scenario, and now has been enhanced with over-water capability.

Maybe "small swarming boats" from Kibris?

I don't want to seem like I am poking fun, but I don't understand why they would choose this weapon (based on the high cost of each of the submunitions). I can understand the "vanilla" WCMD's.....

Can someone enlighten me?


I don't have a clue, Rocky, as to why Turkey (or anyone) buys any particular type of weapon but an added "benefit" of the 97 is that if the sensor doesn't pick up a target the munition detonates anyway resulting in a rain shower of metal parts!! Not the way to start a day if you happen to be the one under it, YIKES.
Fisk
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
shadowhawk27
PostPosted: Nov 07, 2006 - 01:15 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Enthusiast
Enthusiast


Joined: Jul 17, 2006 - 06:00 PM
Posts: 39
Location: On the ground, looking up
Status: Offline
Turkey also has borders with Syria and Iran....
 View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website  
 
Robust
PostPosted: Nov 07, 2006 - 04:52 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Enthusiast
Enthusiast


Joined: Mar 17, 2004 - 09:23 PM
Posts: 64

Status: Offline
I think the answer is that Turkey is surrounded by strong tank fleets from west, east and south…and Turkey’s tank fleet is not that strong in the last 10 years compare to other neighbors in the region.. For example, Greek Leo-2A4 and A6 are deployed in the Trace region, in addition to Leo-1 and their M-60s…We are talking about close to 500-600 tanks in that region alone…I don’t even count APCs, AFVs etc….Turkey’s current tank fleet consists of M-48s and M-60s and Leo-1, all of them are inferior to Leo-2s…In the South, Syria is also another major player in the middle east with hundreds of T-72s…In the East, Iran is coming very strong with recent updated tanks and other amour vehicles…

There are plans to replace older generation Turkish tanks but this process will take time and requires big money…Until these plans take effect(it will take years to replace older tanks), one way to counter these threats is to improve anti-tank, anti-vehicle weapons in the inventory of TuAF…Buying CBU-105s are much cheaper alternative if you look at the other options…Plus, CBU-105 gives you fast reaction time, simultaneous multiple kills…

You may think that Turkey has improved relations with the neighbors but international relations are very fluid…You may be a friend today, but tomorrow is uncertain…espacially in the region, Turkey is located....
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
AegeanHawk
PostPosted: Nov 24, 2006 - 08:53 AM Reply with quote Back to top
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: Nov 22, 2006 - 03:33 PM
Posts: 12

Status: Offline
Robust wrote:
Greek Leo-2A4 and A6 are deployed in the Trace region, in addition to Leo-1 and their M-60s…


There is no Leo-2A6 (the actual designation is Leo-2HEL, HEL from Hellenic) deployed in the Thrace region. There is just one Leo-2HEL here in Greece just for acceptance trials. The Greek Army General Stuff (GAGS) haven't accept the Leo-2HEL yet

Greetings,
AegeanHawk
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
renatohm
PostPosted: Nov 24, 2006 - 07:23 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Active Member
Active Member


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 - 08:49 PM
Posts: 125

Status: Offline
Robust wrote:
You may think that Turkey has improved relations with the neighbors but international relations are very fluid…You may be a friend today, but tomorrow is uncertain…espacially in the region, Turkey is located....


Agreed! You'd better have the weapons and never need'em than vice-versa... Cool
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
grandekinoks
PostPosted: Jun 21, 2009 - 04:05 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: Jun 21, 2009 - 03:45 PM
Posts: 3

Status: Offline
Robust wrote:
I think the answer is that Turkey is surrounded by strong tank fleets from west, east and south…and Turkey’s tank fleet is not that strong in the last 10 years compare to other neighbors in the [Link pending approval] For example, Greek Leo-2A4 and A6 are deployed in the Trace region, in addition to Leo-1 and their M-60s…We are talking about close to 500-600 tanks in that region alone…I don’t even count APCs, AFVs etc….Turkey’s current tank fleet consists of M-48s and M-60s and Leo-1, all of them are inferior to Leo-2s…In the South, Syria is also another major player in the middle east with hundreds of T-72s…In the East, Iran is coming very strong with recent updated tanks and other amour vehicles…

There are plans to replace older generation Turkish tanks but this process will take time and requires big money…Until these plans take effect(it will take years to replace older tanks), one way to counter these threats is to improve anti-tank, anti-vehicle weapons in the inventory of TuAF…Buying CBU-105s are much cheaper alternative if you look at the other options…Plus, CBU-105 gives you fast reaction time, simultaneous multiple kills…

You may think that Turkey has improved relations with the neighbors but international relations are very fluid…You may be a friend today, but tomorrow is uncertain…espacially in the region, Turkey is [Link pending approval]


------------------------------------------------------

Turkey have 341 LEO2A4 and 210 LEO1A3 and 400 M60 SABRA.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
grandekinoks
PostPosted: Jun 21, 2009 - 04:07 PM Reply with quote Back to top
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: Jun 21, 2009 - 03:45 PM
Posts: 3

Status: Offline
AegeanHawk wrote:
Robust wrote:
Greek Leo-2A4 and A6 are deployed in the Trace region, in addition to Leo-1 and their M-60s…


There is no Leo-2A6 (the actual designation is Leo-2HEL, HEL from Hellenic) deployed in the Thrace region. There is just one Leo-2HEL here in Greece just for acceptance trials. The Greek Army General Stuff (GAGS) haven't accept the Leo-2HEL yet

Greetings,
AegeanHawk


------

also we are producing our mtb "altay" in turkey.
 View user's profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:     
Jump to:  
All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Post new topic   Reply to topic
View previous topic Log in to check your private messages View next topic