Post-BRAC 2005 F-16 line-up

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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 03:54

Hello all,

As mentioned in the topic "Extra F-16s for the 169 FW", I have been encouraged by my friend and F-16.net "hard-worker" - J.J. - to create a new topic about the current and upcoming changes in the US F-16 community as part of the BRAC changes.

There is undoubtedly a lot of work to be done and I can not do it without all of You out there in the F-16 community!! Also these changes are due to run through to 2011, so a lot of bigger and smaller changes and adjustments will happen.

So far the following has been noted;

Many of the changes mandated by the Base Realignment and Closure Commission for the 366th Fighter Wing at Mountain Home AFB last year will be happening much faster than expected, with one off the most important moves taking place between now and the spring of 2007, rather than 2009.

The draw-down of F-16CJs assigned to the 389th Fighter Squadron at Mountain Home Air Force Base is scheduled to begin next month (October 2006) and expected to be finished by March 31 2007.

The F-16s are slated to go to the 169th Fighter Wing at McEntire Air National Guard Base, S.C., and the 57th Wing at Nellis Air Force Base, NV - including five for the "Thunderbirds" areal display team.

AFRC changes;

In parallel to this change in the 366th FW additional changes will happen in the AFRC.

The 419th FW / 466th FS at Hill AFB, UT, is about to loose their current "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft. These Block-30 aircraft have been operated by the 466th FS from late 1993/early 1994 arriving from USAFE units at Ramstein and Spangdahlem ABs in Germany.

The 419th is about to become an AFRC tenant unit to ACCs 388th FW also at Hill AFB, sharing aircraft and equipment, but with own command and control structure.

"Viper-Out" for the 466th FS will be June 2007.

Currently 17 Block-30 F-16C/Ds make the 466th FS line-up (15 F-16Cs and two F-16Ds).

Between 6 and 9 of these aircraft will go to the 482nd FW / 93rd FS at Homestead ARB, FL also flying "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft making the 93rd FS a "super squadron" in the AFRC with a future line-up of 26 Block-30 aircraft!!

The 93rd FS received "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft from the 8th FW at Kunsan AB, Korea during late 2000/early 2001 as part of the effort to have the AFRC F-16 units equipped with the same type of aircraft Blocks and engines, so the 419th FW, 482nd FW and 301st FW all would field Block-30 aircraft - the 301st FW at NAS Carswell JRB fielding "Small Inlet" Block-30s.

The 944th FW at Luke AFB, AZ will also tansform into a tenant unit with the 56th FW and the 944th will loose their current Block-32 F-16s. These Block-32s have been flown by the 944th FW since early 1987. These Block-32 Vipers will find new homes as Agressors in the 57th FW at Nellis AFB, NV and in the 144th FW in Fresno of the California ANG.

The 944th FW would, however, continue to provide personnel for combined AFRC AEF deployments.

In regard to the 301st FW / 457th FS at NAS Carswell JRB, this unit - like the 4823nd FW in Florida - will also be affected by the BRAC. Having flown "Small Inlet" Block-30 aircraft since 1995 this unit will also transition to "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft - some of those (appx. eight) coming from the 419th FW at Hill AFB.

The rest of "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft going to the 457th FS will come from the ANG, but it is not known at the moment which unit(s) will provide additional aircraft.

If any of You have additional information, please feel free to contribute!!

Having been mentioned in the earlier published BRAC recommendations and discussed by me earlier on this forum, many of the affected ANG/AFRC Block-30 units would have assigned both "Small- and Big Inlet" aircraft. I still believe that it will NOT happen!!

A "one-off" assignment of an"Small Inlet" Viper came in 2005 to the 140th FW / 120nd FS of the Colorado ANG as [serial]85-1460[/serial] was brought in from the 150th DSE in New Mexico to replace [serial]87-0337[/serial] sadly lost on 28 2005.

[serial]85-1460[/serial] will stay with the Colorado unit until other "Big Inlet" aircraft are made available from de-activating/transforming units.

I will post a further ANG related BRAC rewiev later today.
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by falconfxr_ee » 01 Nov 2006, 04:02

944FW is losing their acft. sad to se em go
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by Jon » 01 Nov 2006, 04:05

This topic is a great idea, thank you Henrik for starting it. I'm sure it will get quite lengthy.

I just completed an article under F-22 news about what is happening to the 192nd FW/149th FS. They are not going to be keeping their aircraft and although working with the F-22 will own none of these aircraft. When they start giving up there F-16's is unknown, but it will be before 2009 and probably much sooner then that. Henrik, do you know where the 149th FS aircraft are scheduled to go?

Here is a link to that news article:

http://www.f-16.net/news_article2031.html


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by J.J. » 01 Nov 2006, 04:10

Good luck for this new topic, Henrik! But you should rename it to "Post-BRAC 2005 F-16 line-up"! If I can, I will support you!


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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 04:35

Jon and J.J.,

Many thanks for Your support!! I really appreciate it.

Jon, regarding the 192nd FW F-16s it has been mentioned that they are going to units currently flying "Small Inlet" as well as "Big Inlet" Vipers.

As mentioned earlier, I would not expect a mix of the Block-30 force to happen!! It has been tried once before in the late 1980s and early 1990s the 52nd (T)FW and the 86th (T)FW in Germany flew a mix with both "Small Inlet" and "Big Inlet" aircraft and discovered that even with same avionics the aircraft had quite different handling performances due to the two air inlets.

Further units that could/will benefit from the "VA" ANG Vipers could well be the 114th FW / 175th FS of the South Dakota ANG and the 177th FW / 119th FS of the New Jersey ANG as the 177th FW will loose their current Block-25s (three to the Vermont ANG in Burlington and the rest to retirement) and gain all "Small Inlet" Block-30s from the 181st FW / 113th FS in the Indiana ANG in Terre-Haute. The 181st FW is supposed to fly their F-16s until the spring of 2007. Also the 174th FW / 138th FS of the New York ANG cold gain ex-VA Vipers.

Also keep in mind that although the number of units are reduced the actual number of aircraft will not be that smaller, as the units going to continue F-16 operations will be bigger.

A standard ANG/AFRC unit currently has 15 PAA with two or three more in the maintenance circle making the total number of aircraft in any given ANG/AFRC unit around 17-18.

A future/post-BRAC ANG/AFRC F-16 unit will field around 22-26 F-16s per unit!!

Another personal statement is that I do not believe that the earlier mentioned retirement of 178 F-16s will happen as of now. The Block-25s might be gone by 2011-2015 while many of the Block-30s are supposed to fly to 2014 and beyond!! The US air force simply cannot afford to retire all these planes, as newer ones do not come in these quantities and operational/overseas commitments continue to grow.

We will see a good deal of "shuffling" between units in the coming years, but the next big change in F-16 inventory will come when the ACC units receive the F-35 and start to pass the Block-40/50 aircraft to the ANG/AFRC. This will, however, not happen until 2011 at the earliest - some have mentioned 2009 - I think it sounds a bit too optimistic!!
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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 19:25

Hello all,

As the BRAC changes are about to take place I have chosen to list the current ANG line-up, as well as most of the future line-up, as I know of at the moment.

ANG changes;

The ANGs flying units/F-16 units are affected most by the BRAC changes/recommendations.

First up are the current ANG Block-25/32 units and their expected conversions;

Blue indicated units that will continue F-16 operations.
Red indicates units that will de-activate/change mission and/or aircraft.

122nd FW / 163rd FS, Ft.Wayne, IN. Expected to convert to "Big Inlet" Block-30s. It is PRESUMED that many of these Block-30s will come from the AFRCs 419th FW / 466th FS at Hill AFB, UT.

147th FW / 111th FS, Ellington Field, TX.
In the 2005 BRAC Recommendations, DoD recommended to realign Ellington Field AGS. The 147th Fighter Wing’s F-16s (15 aircraft) would retire. The wing’s expeditionary combat support (ECS) elements would remain in place. Ellington would retain the capability to support the Homeland Defense mission.

The 272d Engineering Installation Squadron, an ANG geographically separated unit would move into available space on Ellington.

148th FW / 179th FS, Duluth Apt., MN. Continue with Block-25 operations and receiving additional examples.

158th FW / 134th FS Burlington IAP, VT. Continue with Block-25 aircraft and receiving additional examples.

177th FW / 119th FS Atlantic City, NJ. Converting to "Small Inlet" Block-30 aircraft many of those are supposed to come from the 181st FW / 113th FS in Terre Haute, IN.

144th FW / 194th FS Fresno ANGB, CA. Converting from Block-25 aircraft to Block-32 aircraft many of those coming from the 188th FW / 184th FS in Ft. Smith, AR.

Block-32 units;

188th FW / 184th FS Ft. Smith ANGB, AR Converting from Block-32 aircraft to A/OA-10 aircraft in 2007.

144th FW / 194th FS Fresno ANGB, CA. As mentioned above the Fresno-based 144th FW is converting from Block-25 aircraft to Block-32 aircraft many of those coming from the 188th FW / 184th FS in Ft. Smith, AR.
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by JakeMelampy » 01 Nov 2006, 20:33

Jon wrote: When they start giving up there F-16's is unknown, but it will be before 2009 and probably much sooner then that. Henrik, do you know where the 149th FS aircraft are scheduled to go?


The 192nd at Richmond has already started to pass their aircraft along. The 113th Wing at Andrews AFB has already received at least 3, all with the AIFF antenna received during their CUPID mods.

Henrik, the last I've heard from the 181FW (Monday) they are scheduled to keep their jets until the early spring of 2008-not 2007.

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by raameagle » 01 Nov 2006, 21:06

Jake,

What is happening to the 113FW jets from Andrews please?

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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 21:18

JakeMelampy wrote:
Jon wrote:
Henrik, the last I've heard from the 181FW (Monday) they are scheduled to keep their jets until the early spring of 2008-not 2007.

Jake


Jake,

many thanks for Your information!! That is GREAT news that the "Racers" will keep flying some more years.

Thanks again.

Greetings,

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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 21:22

raameagle wrote:Jake,

What is happening to the 113FW jets from Andrews please?

Regards

Mark


Hey Mark,

How are You?? Hopefully You are great!!

The 113th FW will keep their jets and gain appx. 6-8 more and stay in the Viper business for many years to come ;-9!!

Greetings,

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by JakeMelampy » 01 Nov 2006, 21:30

raameagle wrote:Jake,

What is happening to the 113FW jets from Andrews please?

Regards

Mark


Nothing. They are gaining jets, and will continue to operate the Viper.

BTW, Henrik, they are the 113th Wing, not Fighter Wing. There is also an airlift squadron attached to the Wing.

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by JakeMelampy » 01 Nov 2006, 21:31

Henrik wrote:Jake,

many thanks for Your information!! That is GREAT news that the "Racers" will keep flying some more years.

Thanks again.

Greetings,

Henrik.


Yep, great news. There is currently no funding for their new mission, so they got an 18-month reprieve.
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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 21:54

JakeMelampy wrote:
Henrik wrote:Jake,

many thanks for Your information!! That is GREAT news that the "Racers" will keep flying some more years.

Thanks again.

Greetings,

Henrik.


Yep, great news. There is currently no funding for their new mission, so they got an 18-month reprieve.
Jake


Really great, let us hope that the funding for the new mission never materializes :lol: :lol:

Greetings,

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by Henrik » 01 Nov 2006, 23:51

ANG changes;

I will continue with the ANG units operating "Small Inlet" Block-30 aircraft.

Blue indicated units that will continue F-16 operations.
Red indicates units that will de-activate/change mission and/or aircraft.

107th WG / 127th FS Selfridge ANGB, MI. Passing current F-16s to other "Small Inlet" Block-30 units and converting to A/OA-10 aircraft some of which are coming from the 110th FW at Battle Creek, MI.

113th WG / 121st FS Andrews AFB, MD. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining further aircraft, some of which coming from the 192nd FW / 149th FS of the Virginia ANG andpossibly also the four "Small Mouth" Block-30s from the 150th DSE in New Mexico.

114th FW / 175th FS Sioux Falls, SD. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining further aircraft.

174th FW / 138th FS Hancock Field Syracuse, NY. Continuing F-16 operations F-16 operations and gaining further aircraft as well as Predator UAVs.

181st FW / 113th FS Hulman Field, Terre Haute, IN. Continue F-16 operations until the Spring of 2008, as no current funds exist for the units new mission in State security.

192nd FW / 149th FS Richmond ANGB, VA. Becoming an integrated unit with the 1st FW at Langley AFB, VA.

The 192nd FW will retain its unit identity - at Wing level the 1st FW and 192nd FW will operate distinctly separate from each other. Although the 192nd will not control any aircraft, it will retain a separate administrative control of its own personnel.

The 192nd's 149th Fighter Squadron will also be integrated into the operations at Langley AFB. Although still controlled by the 192nd FW the 149th Fighter Squadron will own no aircraft but it will maintain its own command structure.

After the BRAC changes the following units will also operate "Small Inlet" Block-30 aircraft. (These plans are current as of November 2006 and are subject to changes).

177th FW / 119th FS Atlantic IAP, NJ. Transferring/retiring current Block-25 aircraft and gaining "Small Inlet" Block-30 aircraft from various units[/color].
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by Henrik » 02 Nov 2006, 00:42

ANG changes;

Next are the ANG units operating "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft.

Blue indicated units that will continue F-16 operations.
Red indicates units that will de-activate/change mission and/or aircraft.

115th FW / 176th FS Madison RAP, WI. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining between four and six additional "Big Inlet" F-16s from the de-activating 523rd FS of the 27th FW at Cannon AFB, NM.

120th FW / 186th FS Great Falls IAP, MT. Transferring some aircraft to the 187th FW / 160th FS of the Alabama ANG and to other units and converting to F-15C/D - some from the 3rd Wing from Elmendorf AFB, AK - during 2008.

132nd FW / 124th FS Des Moines IAP. IA. Gaining "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft and transferring current Block-42 aircraft to the 112th FW / 180th FS of the Ohio ANG in Toledo and the 138th FW / 125th FS of the Oklahoma ANG in Tulsa.

140th FW / 120th FS Buckley AFB, CO. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining further aircraft from the de-activating 523rd FS of the 27th FW at Cannon AFB, NM.


149th FW / 182d FS Lackland AFB, TX. Continuing F-16 operations as a Formal Training Unit and gaining further aircraft (primarily F-16Ds) from the de-activating 178th FW / 162nd FS in Springfield-Beckley, OH.

150th FW / 188th FS Kirtland AFB, NM. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining eight aircraft from the de-activating 523rd FS of the 27th FW at Cannon AFB, NM.

178th FW / 162nd FS Springfield-Beckley, OH. De-activating and transferring aircraft to other units among those the 149th FW / 182d FS at Lackland AFB, TX. The base had originally expected to hold the training mission until at least 2015, but the Defense recommendations would remove the flying mission in 2010.

183rd FW / 170th FS Capitol Apt, IL. Continuing F-16 operations until 2010.

187th FW / 160th FS Dannelly Field, Montgomery, AL. Continuing F-16 operations and gaining additional "Big Inlet" aircraft from the 120th FW / 186th FS of the Montana ANG.

After the BRAC changes the following unit(s) will also operate "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft. (These plans are current as of November 2006 and are subject to changes).

122nd FW / 163rd FS Ft. Wayne, IN. Retiring current Block-25 aircraft and re-equipping with "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft presumably from the 419th FW / 466th FS AFRC from Hill AFB, UT.

Still unaccounted for are the "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft from the 523rd FS of the 27th FW at Cannon AFB, NM, not going to the units in Wisconsin, Colorado and New Mexico - appx. 10 aircraft.

Further "Big Inlet" Block-30 aircraft will be released from the 80th FS / 8th FW at Kunsan AB, Korea, as this unit will receive the Block-40 aircraft from the 18th FS / 354th FW at Eielson AFB, AK. The 18 FS will become an Aggressor unit in PACAF and some sources have stated that the "new" Aggressor aircraft will be those "Big Inlet" Block-30 currently operated in the 80th FS in Korea.
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