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Israeli jets clash with German ship

October 26, 2006

TWO Israeli warplanes and a German navy vessel clashed off the Lebanese coast, the Defence Ministry in Berlin said.

German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel quoted a junior German defence minister as telling a parliamentary committee that two Israeli F-16 fighters flew low over the German ship and fired two shots.

The jets also released infra-red counter-measures to ward off any rocket attack, the paper quoted him as saying.

The minister did not say when the incident happened or what had caused it, the paper said.

“I can confirm that there was an incident,” a ministry spokesman said.

An investigation was under way and he therefore was unable to provide further information.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said she was checking the report.

Germany assumed command of a United Nations naval force off the coast of Lebanon 10 days ago and has sent a force of eight ships and 1000 service personnel to join the international peace operation in the region.

The naval force is charged with preventing weapons smuggling and helping maintain a ceasefire between Israel and radical Lebanese-based Islamic group Hezbollah.

two Israeli F-16 fighters flew low over the German ship and fired two shots.

Maybe it was the sonic boom(s). The 20mm on the Viper is not a shotgun, it can't fire only 2 shots

Maybe they meant to say 2 salvo's?

It could have been two anti-ship missiles, the German ship "released infra-red countermeasures".

Israeli and German defense ministers talk by phone after the German defense ministry confirmed two Israeli F-16 warplanes flew low over a German navy vessel off Lebanon and fired two shots

October 25, 2006, 8:38 PM (GMT+02:00)

No information was released on their conversation.

It followed German defense ministry confirmation of a report in the German daily Der Tagesspiegel earlier Wednesday, Oct. 25. The paper quoted a junior defense minister as reporting to a parliamentary committee that Israeli jets fired missiles on the German ship and released infra-red countermeasures to ward off any rocket attack. The minister did not say when the incident happened or what had caused it.

Contradictory responses have come from Israeli sources. Some denied any incident in which missiles were fired. They admitted that Israeli fighters were scrambled when a helicopter took off from a German vessel. Other sources admitted Israeli warplanes did fire missiles in the vicinity of the German ships.

Germany assumed command of a United Nations naval force off the coast of Lebanon 10 days ago and has sent a force of eight ships and 1,000 service personnel to join the international peace operation in the region.

IDF: No shots fired in IAF incident with German ship

By Amos Harel and Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent and Reuters

An Israel Defense Forces spokesman on Wednesday confirmed that Israel Air Force jets had been involved in an incident with a German vessel and helicopter, but denied reports that the jets had fired shots over the ship.

The Germany daily Der Tagesspiegel earlier on Wednesday quoted a junior German defense minister as telling a parliamentary committee that two Israeli F-16 fighters flew low over the German ship and fired two shots.

The jets also activated infra-red countermeasures to ward off any rocket attack, the paper quoted him as saying, in an advance release from Thursday's edition.

The IDF spokesman denied that the air force had attacked a ship or opened fire in the vicinity, but said that IAF jets had been launched early Tuesday when a helicopter took off from a German aircraft carrier in waters close to Rosh Hanikra without identifying itself in accordance with United Nations regulations. The incident was quickly solved without confrontation, the spokesman said, and only flares were fired.

Defense Minister Amir Peretz on Wednesday denied the reports in a call to his German counterpart, Franz Jozef Jung, and said Israel had no reason to attack German forces. He also said that Israel wanted to increase its coordination with UNIFIL forces in preventative actions. UNIFIL told Channel Two Wednesday that it had received no complaint of Israeli fire.

Germany assumed command of a United Nations naval force off Lebanon 10 days ago, and has sent eight ships and 1,000 service personnel to join the international peace operation in the region.

The naval force is charged with preventing the smuggling of weapons and helping maintain a ceasefire between Israel and the Lebanese Islamic militant group Hezbollah.

Peretz said earlier Wednesday that the IAF would continue to patrol Lebanese skies in an effort to gather information and prevent terror groups from smuggling weapons from Syria into Lebanon.

Peretz raised the issue on the Knesset plenum agenda, saying, "we see ourselves not just as free, but as having the right to continue carrying out these necessary flights, as part of our challenge against the flow of arms from the Syrian-Lebanese border."

The defense minister added that in light of Israel's desire to coordinate these efforts with Lebanon, it had reduced the scope of the flights to a minimum. He said the flights were being carried out with precision to avoid friction with United Nations troops and the Lebanese army. He said the flights presented no threat to the peace or security of the international forces deployed in Lebanon.

In response to threats by French forces to open fire on IAF overflights, Peretz said, "we will in no way take these threats, and we've made that clear in conversations with all parties."

The defense minister said that since the end of the war the Hezbollah has been involved with the rehabilitation of the Lebanese infrastructure, has attempted to smuggle weapons through the Lebanese-Syrian border, and has continued to try to harness aid from external sources. Hezbollah had maintained its stronghold in southern Lebanese areas still closed off to UNIFIL and Lebanese forces.

Maybe it was the sonic boom(s). The 20mm on the Viper is not a shotgun, it can't fire only 2 shots

Libanon-Einsatz

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