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From a small snippet from a JSF AvLeak article stated that the Raptures racked up a 108:0 kill ratio against F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s that were simulating Su-27/30s:

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/chann ... M06196.xml

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As JSF development continues, the Air Force is touting early results from the F-22's involvement in recent combat exercises. The Air Force claims the aircraft achieved an "unprecedented" kill ratio of 108:0 during the joint Northern Edge exercise, which concluded last week in Alaska. Twelve F-22s deployed for the exercise, which used F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s to simulate Sukhoi Su-27s and Su-30 Flankers as adversaries.

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Brad

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Thats right up there with the 100+ combat kill ratio the F-15 has held over its career Very Happy

Enthusiast Joined: Aug 22, 2004 Posts: 73 Status: Offline

Good ole' Aviation Leak. "unprecedented" kill ratio of 108:0--> Of course we are not interested in any classified materials or information, but in pure public domain speculation from the AvLeak article. I was thinking about how much of that was in true BVR engagements utilizing the -22's LPI AESA radar/fire control system and low observables as opposed to WVR turn-and-burn engagements.

The article does say that the -15s, 16s and 18s were used to mimic Su-27/30s. Not sure if the radar/fire control capabilites/missile capabilities of the former were taken into account when engaging the Raptors and if the Raptors were allowed to use their systems to the fullest. It would be hard for me to believe that the -22 could rack up a 108:0 kill ratio in pure WVR or mostly WVR engagements agaisnt F-15s/F-18s and F-16s. Nonetheless, a 108:0 kill ratio is phenomenal.

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One thing that was insteresting is that they were also using F-22s to direct engagements. An invisible plane (for all intents and purposes) that trolls around the battlespace allowing friendly air to remain silent and dishing out it's own kills at the same time. The article in AvWeek goes into more detail but the F-22 was helping it's own side's conventional fighters to be more effective.

An interesting quote from "The Flyer Online" (the magazine of Langley AFB-http://www.militarynews.com/flyer/news1.html):

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The F-22’s capabilities were highlighted during several air-to-air engagements that included facing an opposing force at a four-to-one disadvantage.

Sorry to dig up this old post, but I have a question. Was the result of the excercise a 108-0 kill ratio, or a 140-0 kill ratio? There is another article from the AF saying it was 140-0, while others say it is 108-0.....

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123029412

Active Member Joined: Nov 22, 2004 Posts: 134

zeroyon04 wrote:

Sorry to dig up this old post, but I have a question. Was the result of the excercise a 108-0 kill ratio, or a 140-0 kill ratio? There is another article from the AF saying it was 140-0, while others say it is 108-0.....

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123029412

I don't have many details, but the number seems to vary according to which exercises are counted. The initial reports about the 108 kills to 0 losses were released during Northern Edge 2006, so perhaps the F-22 scored 32 additional kills in later exercises. It's also possible that some reports counted kills scored by other aircraft being directed by F-22s, since they didn't always operate alone as the "blue" force (the very purpose of exercises like these). Suffice to say that in more complete and realistic scenarios with larger numbers of aircraft in the air at once, the F-22 still performed as it usually did.

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Hawk Carlisle, commander of the 3rd Wing, confirmed to me the 4-to-1 disadvantage reported in the Flyer. He told me those numbers weren't classified. He did say that one F-15C got splashed in a tail-away shot (he called it a fade-away jumper), but no F-22s got shot. I also heard the 140-0 kill ratio, but not until the 3 Aug tail reveal ceremony at Marietta. I was kind of shocked.

The total scored was 140:1!! A score of 108:0 for the F-22's and a score of 32:1 for the F-22's acting as mini-AWACS for friendly forces!

Adrian

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I assume the Raptor loss resulted from that cheap Hornet gunshot?

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mil_hobbyist wrote:

I assume the Raptor loss resulted from that cheap Hornet gunshot?

A score of 108:0 for the F-22's

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