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Apparently Kim has pulled the trigger over in PRNK.

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In case it turns bad, I suppose the B-2s will make a quick trip....Or it's time to use the Dozer hehe :p

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In case it turns bad, I suppose the B-2s will make a quick trip....Or it's time to use the Dozer hehe :p

The Dozer? What can you do with an F-22 against (potentially) nuclear-tipped IRBMs?

I don't think the US will take any military action soon - they are bogged down and overstretched in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I feel sorry for the ordinary North Korean folks - they are the only ones who will suffer more with the new sanctions that will be surely imposed.
Worst yet (for NK), China has severely condemned NK's actions - Kim lost his last friend in the neighborhood. Most of the help that NK gets (in food and energy) comes from China, so if they decide to pull the plug...
And it wasn't even worth it! Not for 0.5kt - maybe they planned a bigger bang but probably the Plutonium didn't implode right (didn't collapse in an even pattern towards the core).
OR they hastily prepared a classic blast (some 500 tons of TNT) just to show off - a bluff?
Either way, a stupid move and a failure (just like that IRBM test that went wrong a few months ago)

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The Dozer? What can you do with an F-22 against (potentially) nuclear-tipped IRBMs?

Operation Chinese Opera maybe :p

Just when life was starting to look up - new Buffett album (took delivery of the very first one here in Vegas at 12:01 AM), friend's wedding coming up, Nellis airshow, Buffett and Rolling Stones concerts to go to...

And now Kim Jong Mentally Ill has to go and fart in the elevator - loud and stinky, too Evil or Very Mad

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RoAF wrote:

I don't think the US will take any military action soon - they are bogged down and overstretched in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You've obviously been listening to too much CNN International and the BBC. Wink

I had to listen to CNNI's drivel for a year when I was in Turkey (because it was all we could get) and it was nauseating. Really. Except for Fionnuala Sweeney (sigh..... In Love

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Any initial action against NorKor won't involve ground troops. Any "neutralization" of Kim's nuke capabilites can be done with an extended air campaign. Believe me when I tell ya if it ever comes to launching ordnance in Kimmy's direction, the US (and our allies) will be more than ready. That could then be followed by SpecOps to try and turn some of his officer corps against him. Kim is nothing without the support of his officer corps.

RoAF wrote:

I feel sorry for the ordinary North Korean folks - they are the only ones who will suffer more with the new sanctions that will be surely imposed.

Too true. If the general population was more literate we could do clandestine leaflet and food supply drops to show 'em what's goin' on south of the 38th Parallel. Otherwise it's just so much TP.

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You've obviously been listening to too much CNN International

You won't get anything else (in terms of US channels) out here, half way around the globe...

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air campaign [...] That could then be followed by SpecOps to try and turn some of his officer corps against him.

A friendly advice - try that (a military coup) before bombing them, not after. All nations tend to support their leaders (even if they are dictators) when threatened or attacked from the outside - remember Yugoslavia and Milosevici in 1999.
Honestly, I don't know if a coup could work - how many failed attemps were made in Cuba and, more recently, in Iraq?

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If the general population was more literate we could do clandestine leaflet and food supply drops to show 'em what's goin' on south of the 38th Parallel

You mean they are iliterate (can't read/write)? I don't think that's the case, education is free and compulsory in any communist society.
Leaflets won't work. Would you pick them up if you knew you risk jail if any is found on you or in your house?

This standoff in Korea can easily end up nuclear. Even if Kim does not have any.

Kim has Seoul in its artillery range. If US attacks, they will respond shelling SK and US troops and Seoul with chemical rounds. 1 round in Seoul can kill 50 000 people.

There is no way that US can take out all its artillery first. NATO and US vere totally unable to do some damage against Serbian troops hidden in mountains in 1999 and why they should do better this time.

Air attack to its milirary lefts Kim no other choice than chemical. Because they can not shoot US planes down.

Kim goes chemical. US responds nuclear. China will join the party, they need to take out SK airfields and US carriers first. They can do it with nukes.

What happens next?

Korean government (North) is nuttier then a fruit cake.

The clown could care less about his nation... really, when he makes statements like "act of war"...now just how stupid is that really, does this fool want a war..the boy is whacked!

Seems he does not give a damn, I say pull all troops out, mass evac the civilians, let them (north) see that and then drop the big one on his a$$! What a putz, China blows goats too in my book!

If only we could or would but I know, I know...its just me being a "dick" (least I admit it) and hating the stupidity of this area of Communism

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China is now openly talking about "regime change" in NK... that should up KJI's pucker factor by a few notches. If Big Brother China is starting to say "enough is enough", he's really boned.

I hope your right, we don't need or want anything else (conflict wise) we got a enough going on now too choke a horse globally

China is right now the only player who could provoke a (relatively peaceful) regime change in DPRK (talks, political process, military or political coup, civilian unrest - remember Eastern Europe in oct-dec.1989). Now, when they (China) are growing very fast (economically and military) the last thing they need is a mad dog on their doorstep. This is why now, for the first time, they totally turned their back to Kim.

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