Forum: F-22A Raptor

...about this move by Dozer. I'm posting this everywhere just for the people who said it couldn't be done. Cool

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JCSVT, I was a personal eye witness to this event while in Atlantic City
NJ on August 23rd's airshow. My jaw dropped and hit the beach sand
when I saw him do that!!!! He did that in the "pattern" behind the casinos
and I can assure you I felt really good to see a US plane do that instead
of just Russian ones.

JetBlast...

Pretty effin' cool....just as useless as when the Ruskie ones do it, but cool nonetheless.

Salute!

Oh yeah.

Sucker has awesome nose-pointing capability, and then then scoot off without altitude loss.

Saw a better "hover" at Nellis last Vets' Day practice.

Raptor pulled up with a bit more smash and stopped going vertical at maybe 10K or so. Sat there for maybe 10 seconds, then rolled to 90 degrees from original heading and scooted off. Neat, and impressive to thowe of we Viper jocks (has been or current).

later ...

There's a couple here that are arguably even more impressive:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... F-22&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... F-22&hl=en

What's good to know is that Dozer hasn't even shown everything what this beast is capable of yet. The reins are still being held back.

JCSVT wrote:

...about this move by Dozer. I'm posting this everywhere just for the people who said it couldn't be done. Cool

Showing off

Not sure why anyone would say it couldn't be done...this was all seen and reported from the show at Langley much earlier this year.

-Check

checksixx wrote:

JCSVT wrote:

...about this move by Dozer. I'm posting this everywhere just for the people who said it couldn't be done. Cool

Showing off

Not sure why anyone would say it couldn't be done...this was all seen and reported from the show at Langley much earlier this year.

-Check

The Langley one in the videos I've seen only hits about 90 degrees and according to the Flanker Fanboys that didn't qualify. This one shut them up. Funny how they all use to babble about the "f-22 had to make tradeoffs for stealth therefore it isn't as manueverable" and now all you hear are crickets chirping from that direction. Twisted Evil

They and yourself must not have been at the Langley show. Not only was he doing 'cobra's' but also somersaulting (sp?) around the axis of the aircraft. Not to mention the stall/spins which were really cool. I took a huge series of photo's of them all. 'They' don't understand the definition of that manuever if they think that over 90 degrees is the 'qualifier'.

-Check

Elite 1K Joined: Aug 19, 2004 - 09:19 AM Posts: 1092

Yeah... the 120+ degree AoA thing is called the Super Cobra.

checksixx wrote:

They and yourself must not have been at the Langley show. Not only was he doing 'cobra's' but also somersaulting (sp?) around the axis of the aircraft.

-Check

Kulbit?

mil_hobbyist wrote:

checksixx wrote:

They and yourself must not have been at the Langley show. Not only was he doing 'cobra's' but also somersaulting (sp?) around the axis of the aircraft.

-Check

Kulbit?

That would be a backflip. Check is talking about the high-alpha loops.

Nobody has commented on how fast he picked up energy again, the Flanker looks a lot slower.

Elite 1K Joined: Aug 19, 2004 - 09:19 AM Posts: 1092

asiatrails wrote:

Nobody has commented on how fast he picked up energy again, the Flanker looks a lot slower.

It's been noted in other threads that contained F-22 airshow videos. But yeah, you've obviously got a combination of great control law design, aerodynamics, and enormous amounts of excess thrust. Have you seen the videos of the F-22 doing the cobra into the vertical and then accelerating straight up? Hehehe...

AfterburnerDecalsScott wrote:

Pretty effin' cool....just as useless as when the Ruskie ones do it, but cool nonetheless.

You are so correct. It is as relevant as Maveric's actions in TOP GUN! Great for airshows and movies. Still.... good flying Dozer!

It is a 'guns envirement' maneuver, only. If you look at the Russian diagrams of the move, you will see the enemy is only six hundred meters behind the Flanker. The Russians are still fans of the furball and guns. (The last American aircraft to shoot down an opponent with their guns was in June 1982 IDF/AF over the Bekaa Valley.
The maximum speed of which the Flanker can initiate the cobra is 450kts. If you try to do it at a higher speed, the G-forces will damage the aircraft's frame. Up to 13G's at this speed.
Do the calculations, at 450kts if you are 1½ to 2 miles behind the enemy (good Sidewinder distance), if he does a cobra even if he stops his foward motion immediately (it doesn't), it will take you more than ten seconds to pass the enemy! That gives you several seconds to get your guns onto an aircraft in a low energy state.

checksixx wrote:

They and yourself must not have been at the Langley show. Not only was he doing 'cobra's' but also somersaulting (sp?)

All of these maneuvers of from the class or "post stall loops."

Adrian

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