Forum: F-35 Lightning II

lampshade111 wrote:

Okay Harry. First you need to work on your English. Second you can't keep a supersonic fighter aircraft flying forever. Most of our F-15 and F-16 fleet is at least 20 years old. And finally are you seriously suggesting we give up our capability to achieve and take advantage of air-superiority?

If we gave up that capability think about how much money we could put into rainbows and holding hands!

Now, who wants a hug?

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harryhill wrote:

Hello....Again..even the ones that wear out...what is the mission? Nobody has ever stated this. I was bombed years ago and know the resiliance of the 'receivers' first hand. It just inflamed people against the harbingers of death. I guess this is 'mission accomplished'.

I am sure the overwhelming majority of people hope these fighters are used for nothing more than training missions and for thrilling kids at airshows, but reality and history says otherwise.

I am sorry you had to experience war (I'm sorry anyone does actually) but if others are building new 'weapons of death' to put it into a hyperbolic fashion, then 'we' need to as well.

The 'mission' for this aircraft is to protect the people who spend their national treasure on acquiring it. Personally, I think it will do just that better than any other aircraft ever made...

We build weapons because once in a while "we" are forced to defend our way of life by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGBYtc6q_M

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fiskerwad wrote:

We build weapons because once in a while "we" are forced to defend our way of life by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGBYtc6q_M

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Agree...but WHERE?--What area etc.What does it take to xport this plane to a 'forward' base? Give me your plans.And BTW--aren't we all tired of wars? We have lost in Iraq--losing and will lose in Afghan--btw--Don't flame.Me, I am scared to fight. How about you? If war reaches here in USA..it will be the 'war to end all wars' and the planet.
And...I will not reply or read these 'Beck' posts anymore...

I'm breaking rule #2 of internet forums by doing this (Don't feed the trolls), but Harry- we live in a world that has people who do not agree with us and if they could, they would try to take over control of us. History has shown that the strong WILL dominate the weaker, usually to the detriment of the weak. We don't particularly like that concept, so we create things to help us defend our way of life. This has been the way of life on earth for billions of years- predator and prey, it's just that now, biological has given way to the technological.

Now, If you can't handle the fact that the world is a dangerous place (sometimes of our own creating, I'll admit that), then maybe you should pull your head back into your shell and hope that enough of those around you will pay, in both $ and lives, the price for all our way of life.

You've seen A Few Good Men, right? The monologue given by Nicholson's Col. Nathan Jessup in the courtroom has quite a bit of truth in it. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you do and thing about what he means.

This is all you need:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
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F-35 Range: Just the facts maam - just the facts: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_download-id-13653.html
(40Kb PDF from LM) August 2010

> = 'Greater Than'

You wouldn't catch me in a single engine aircraft on a carrier,but that's what the US Navy is going for because of costs. Sad

harryhill wrote:

Agree...but WHERE?--What area etc.What does it take to xport this plane to a 'forward' base? Give me your plans.And BTW--aren't we all tired of wars? We have lost in Iraq--losing and will lose in Afghan--btw--Don't flame.Me, I am scared to fight. How about you? If war reaches here in USA..it will be the 'war to end all wars' and the planet.
And...I will not reply or read these 'Beck' posts anymore...

Lost in Iraq? Even those on the left that were against the surge, aren't making that claim.

Quote:

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Quote:

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. – Samuel Adams

testpilot wrote:

You wouldn't catch me in a single engine aircraft on a carrier,but that's what the US Navy is going for because of costs. Sad

The USN has a long history of successfully operating single engine jets off CVs/CVNs.

Popcorn said: "The USN has a long history of successfully operating single engine jets off CVs/CVNs." Agree and the reliability of engines today is incredible as has been pointed out on many threads on this forum by the 'engine guys'. Very Happy

The F-35s will have all kinds of monitoring systems to catch engine and other potential problems early before there is a 'real' problem (failure). Just today the 19,000 hour test engine hours were notched up:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopi ... t-330.html

testpilot wrote:

You wouldn't catch me in a single engine aircraft on a carrier,but that's what the US Navy is going for because of costs. Sad

So you wouldn't have flown an F-8 Crusader back in the day? Guess how many engines it had?

Conan wrote:

testpilot wrote:

You wouldn't catch me in a single engine aircraft on a carrier,but that's what the US Navy is going for because of costs. Sad

So you wouldn't have flown an F-8 Crusader back in the day? Guess how many engines it had?

A-4, A-7, etc.... which all had pretty safe records.