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As I said you have to first treat to wrong one now I am doing so from our side.

I think this Tiger_Claw or whoever is a faker. No such TuAF personel are ever allowed to post statements including accusations like these in such open forums even if he feels he should answer the written statements. And with such bad english. Whomever this guy is I request his IP to be checked, I wonder if it is from Balikesir really. No TuAF personel speaks in such heated way and none speak english this badly. No TuAF personel gives out phone numbers in open space. It is clear he is a faker. He in no way represents TuAF and only makes a funny name for himself.

He doesn't even realise he is making a bad image for Turks and here I am clearing out the fake image.

Bushmaster I dont think you have the right to question if we can fly military aircrafts from any stated military bases or not??? If so you state your name and adress and phone number (like you asked pos. unit, rank, you see it is childish isnt it) so we ask you next time if we can fly aircrafts from Dalaman or not? Laughing

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Ike wrote:

There is another cynic misbehaviour which reach the levels of "insult" by some greek members of the forum. One such member states he is a HAF officer. I hope his view does not involve general HAF and I think he should recheck his position if he can as a HAF-NATO pilot post such statements bearing the name HAF officer in international forums.

The topic I am talking about is "Turkey has bad generals". This is an insult! And it is also a nerve heating, funny, cynic lie or incredibly stupid misguided remark. There is no way I can tolarate that remark as a Turk and seeing it comes from another NATO member. I demand You Apologize!!!

You are on the internet dear Ike. What the HAF pilot said is not an insult, it is a personal opinion and he is entitled to it. He doesn't have to apologize for it. Now I do not know any of the generals of the TSK nor I need to. But they way you sound is these guys are infallible, make no mistake people. By nature we all make mistakes, what he probably meant goes beyond to the fact that he might not be happy with the decisions of Turkish General Staff therefore he thinks they are "bad". These are semantics, take it easy.

IkeHigh wrote:

The topic I am talking about is "Turkey has bad generals". This is an insult! .

I personally can't evaluate Turk generals' skills.And i don't think that the word "bad" was said in order to diminish them. One the other hand who can deny that they have a leading role when it comes to Turkey's decisions about its future, and that was evident many times in the past.And this does not characterize a democratic state! Can anyone imagine the leader of the French armed forces(like general Ozkok did) to declare in public that people should demonstrate against government's decisions?I don't think so......Does anyone know any other army having control(directly and indirectly) in a large proportion of its country's economy(and mainly the entire defence economy) like OYAK in Turkey? Controlling 23% of cars production,10% of cement production,owner of 47% of Erdemir steel company, partner with Dupont,Goodyear,Renault,General Electric,General Motors,owner of banks, real estate companies,construction companies,major stockholder of TurkTelecom,Turpas,Telsim, the army in Turkey is more than the armed forces of this state...........And this is totally abnormal!

VTR video is restricted by TUAF. if you came here and be our guest I am sure you can learn many tings and you can see lots of material.

tiger_claw wrote:

VTR video is restricted by TUAF. if you came here and be our guest I am sure you can learn many tings and you can see lots of material.

I sure would love to sir, however I can't because I am on the other side of the pond. Your providing of technical and professional information rather than historical aggressive bickering is greatly appreciated. You may carry on.

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To tiger_claw.

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To Fantasma337...

I'll be the next guy over Mediterranean Sea from 192 Sqd. I'll be armed too and I don't think twice and I don't take extra care. Real life doesn't look like forums huh?

Come and you'll see... Smile

.I'll personally welcome you...

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These fanatic Greek pilots were shut down one of our airplane at 1996 by Magic II and they put a Turkish flag on their A/C (WW II Tradition). We are just defending our rights but they are thinking Northern Med. Sea are their homeland. We will show you and we will prove you.

These "fanatic Greek pilots" are defending their homeland and protecting their families from guys like you that just getting into the Greek airspace for....fun.

As for the incident you are talking about(the shoot by Magic2 missile),even the Turkish goverment doesn't agree with that...It's just a story that the pilot's family made almost 15 years after the incident happened to claim financial benefits from european court.But I 'll tell you that Greek pilots shot down an F-102 over the Aegean at 21st of July 1974 AFTER the turkish pilot shot them first with an AIM-4 Falcon that missed...And for the history,the second F-102 also crashed after excessive use of afterburner...Search the records,search whatever you like...the fact is that after the above incident,you didn't violate the Greek airspace for almost 3 years...

For the games that both countries play for the sake of others,both sides have lost many people...I've lost a relative(do you remember Imia island crisis?) and a good friend...

So it is time to stop,enough with this.Enough blood is shed for nothing.I've been to Turkey twice and we don't have anything to separate.Nobody saw me as the "enemy"....I only met people tha when they learned that I am "yunan",they did enything to please me.I also have good friends from turkey.

But if there are people like you,for sure,I'll always be the "enemy"...
Something else,do you know where the mid-air happened?Or you just heard that two fighters collided?If you want a map or something,I'll send you one...And if you see it and continue to think that it is Turkish or international airspace,then something is wrong with you pal...And lets say it is international airspace,what was the RF-4 doing in your formation?Searching for whales? Let's be serious,relax and let as moan our pilot...

cheers from Greece

Ike High I tell it again do not think I am stupid and do not play saint. Do not tell me that the Invasion in Iraqi soil is not an aggressive act and do not tell me that they did not kill innocent people even by mistake.

For me the whole thing is over I am done. Do not take anything personal. Calm down and thank you all about everything. It is good to know what the other side thinks. "Only the dead have seen the end of the war" Plato lets hope that he was wrong about it for the first time. Because I am planning to live for a long tome henceforth. I wish the same for you too.

Well, this has taken some heat off the argument, hasnt it now ? Smile

Safe flights to everybody. Soldiers will always be soldiers, politicians will always be nothing. When the push comes to shove it is us who step in the front lines, although it is them who puts us there.

Good luck to each and every one of us. Good day gentlemen.

As for Tiger-claw, he is who he says he is. I know him personally, and flew with him on several occasions. He is a very experienced F-16 pilot with more than 2000 hours. Just to clear it up.

Safe flights and happy landings to all the pilots

First of all some of you said about the "bad generals issue" that it is a normal thing for someone be it an officer or civil greek to think or explain their points that way, whats wrong with it? Someone went beyond and made some ultracool! remarks "you see them as infallible". What I said is State References To Your Point GreekLunatic said I shouldnt play angel and admit that we go to Iraq to kill pkk and as we are there we also kill local people. And proven references? NO

What I said was either cease accusing us about it or give REFERENCE. You didnt do neither. So that makes all of you here, who entered this "bad general" accusations, "Bad Intentioned and Just Want to Mock Anything Turkish".

This further proves my point when I say "Greek Side Cannot Be Trusted With Its Current Agenda".

Btw next time in other posts, I will just ignore nicknames with silly remarks. I will ignore lunatics for example after all they state what they are to out openly themselves. And we all know that its useless to argue with lunatics.

I dont believe anything about agendas is being proved that way.

Name the parts of both sides' Agenda and then we could all talk on that (somewhere else) and hopefully only with mature people that dont regenerate things they hear on TV etc (i'm not talking about you Ike).

Again, I believe that there are no more serious information about the accidents. Just some reporters saying silly stuff from time to time.

(There is an exercise taking place on the south of Crete. Don't know all of the countries that take part, but among them is Turkey and U.S. , so a reporter (Greek) said (dont remember why and the whole story) : A Turkish F-16 took off from a US carrier. Oh god that was so funny. Damnit, I should have tapped it)

I do agree with Ikehigh, we shouldnt lose our heads when discussing a flight-related article. You've got a good point there dkarko. Greeks and Turks both can get very hot-headed at times like these. We pilots should know better.

I apologize to everybody here if I have offended anybody's senses in anyway. Let that be the end of it and let us all part like professionals. We are the Falcons of the sky, not kids on a playground. I hope to meet with you all on much more pleasant forums. Safe flights and happy landings.

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