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greeklunatic8 wrote:

Thanks about he site. Anyway if somebody states that he excludes an area from the CFE treaty it does mean he will not place any kind of weapons there. Simple Logic. (Wait till I find more)

My friend, I think you are misunderstanding here.. Exclusion from CFE zone means that those areas are not under control of CFE treaty, which means there are no limitations about number and type of weaponry you put there. Please read that link more carefully. For example if CFE dictates 1000 tanks and Turkey has 1500, those 500 can be put in those excluded areas. That's because Turkey wanted her SE regions to be excluded from CFE treaty, because of security concerns related to her borders with Syria-Iran-Iraq.

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I agree that the Aegean army is not as highly trained and equated like the first army in eastern Thrace's (the Turkish one) but it is still 100.000 man and nobody can tell me that it does not pose a threat to an army of a couple of thousand divided in islands. Plus Greece must be better equated in order to keep the balance in the Aegean.

You might be right orko 8 (about the CFE treaty). Still I am searching about it. What Iraq the one the Americans annexed or the Iran that is (probably) going to be bombed. Syria is no threat at all. I think you are referring to the Kurdish rebels(/freedom fighters) Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48v-OM8W2Qo

This is HUD video from a Greek F-16 locking up a Turkish one, any comments? Seems they have been at it for a long time....I believe there are loose ROEs, ie, a "Knock off" when a lock is achieved....Is that a sidewinder tone I can hear??

greeklunatic8 wrote:

You might be right orko 8 (about the CFE treaty). Still I am searching about it. What Iraq the one the Americans annexed or the Iran that is (probably) going to be bombed. Syria is no threat at all. I think you are referring to the Kurdish rebels(/freedom fighters) Question

Border intrusion of PKK terrorists might be an issue, but by the time CFE was prepared Syria still posed a substantial threat to Turkey (because of GAP and Syrian claims upon Hatay).

Anyway, I don't think this has much to do with the topic.

Active Member Joined: May 23, 2006 - 03:25 PM Posts: 101

Robust,

You are apparrently informed enough so that you perfectly understand the girth of Turkish millitary acquisitions over the years and their scope and therefore you shouldn't make spurious comparisons. Leo2 vs M48 or Leo2 vs Leo2 and upgraded M60's (ratio 2:1 for Turkey). Check the numbers and the types of helos in the Tu inventory (must be over 250 including significant numbers of Cougars, Blackhawks's, Mi17's and older A/UH-1 classes, ratio 3:1 for Turkey) and the armament of TuAF again. Just check Turkey's disproportinate millitary budget and the location of the bulk of Turkish armed forces, (not in troubled anatolia unfortunately) remember the official threats for war and the culminating contestation of Greek sentiment and understand that we have the right to feel threatened.

BTW I' m sure you are aware of the small number of Marines in the Greek Armed forces (their equipment is published everywere) and that the capabilities of the 4 Zubrs are barely adequate for their mission to provide reinforcements of 750 men and their equipment from the mainland where they are based in an attacked major island (>100 miles from Volos to Lesvos). More Numbers : manning of western Turkey from North to South : over 250.000, entire armed greek forces: 110.000 after the latest restructure

snypa this video has been around for some time. What happens is that during the interception the go head on then mock fight until someone got a good lock on the other. At this part the fight ends and they all go back home and study on their performance...

And here comes some info for the claims of the greek guys, who cannot use the net as they should:

greeklunatic: mate pls read about some economy stuff: as you prefer Turkey is not low-developed, I am afraid. check the net, Turkey's economy is the 17th largest in the world. I wonder what would greece do if it was not backed by EU financially all the time Very Happy

bustmaster: whatever you say about the ownership of the Aegean, I tell you once more my sensitive friend, Aegean is owned by Greece, Turkey and international community, all three have rights on it

bozz: pls, pls and pls, open up a map and look around Turkey once more, look at the neighbours of my land. Or shortly I may remind you:
syria, iraq, iran, armenia, greece are all our friendly neighbours. But try to understand my friend, open up your mind, we do not keep all these weapons for a nation of just 10 millions, you are the least that bother us. We have other more serious problems.

Dear Otto,

I agree with you, you are surrounded by "friends",but its logical when a country feels to have serious threats on a particular place of its borders then it puts there the bulk of its forces. So check again the map of Turkey and the locations and numbers of troops and turkish inventory.

So where is the bulk of turkish forces? East, southeast or central and western Turkey? Landing vessels on the Black Sea or Mediterannean ports or Aegean ports? The same with the bulk of the most capable Turkish F-16s... near the borders of Iran Syria Armenia Iraq or Central and Western Turkey?

And the last one how could you consider a flight of Greek F-16s with an RF-4E with them above International airspace but inside Istanbul FIR without giving any data to Instanbul heading to Adana and to take pictures of this fine port outside of Turkish territorial airspace of 12 miles but above international airspace (Turkey extended on south and north seas to 12 nautical miles but though didn't sign the Law of the Sea). I guess you should see it as friendly visit.

Active Member Joined: May 23, 2006 - 03:25 PM Posts: 101

Otto wrote:

bozz: pls, pls and pls, open up a map and look around Turkey once more, look at the neighbours of my land. Or shortly I may remind you:
syria, iraq, iran, armenia, greece are all our friendly neighbours. But try to understand my friend, open up your mind, we do not keep all these weapons for a nation of just 10 millions, you are the least that bother us. We have other more serious problems.

You are right about Turkey's neighbours. That is why it is peculiar the bulk of the forces are turned westwards. Turkey has serious issues that is why it shouldn't conduct military operations against they only friendly she's got.

Look, Turkey has the capability to transfer all of their troops from the west to the east in one and a half day. So they place their best troops where they feel they are threatened the most. But I believe that the serious problems of the Turkish army is to give power to the power-play the Islamists and the Kemalists are up to.

As for the foundig of the E.U. Greece is one of the first members and somebody should wonder why Greece got there before thirty years while Turkey is still struggling to get inside. It is not malaga but malaka and it depends to whom your are speaking about the meaning of the word. Were you speaking to your closest friend it would not be a problem but calling somebody over the net malaka is a serious insult.

Can somebody get in that site and give a translation of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUVlShx ... %20soldier

That is a funny recreation of a famous Turkish commercial. They are "copying" 151 SEAD squadron, but at the end being caught up.

copying the whatever squadron Question

Otto wrote:

And here comes some info for the claims of the greek guys, who cannot use the net as they should:

greeklunatic: mate pls read about some economy stuff: as you prefer Turkey is not low-developed, I am afraid. check the net, Turkey's economy is the 17th largest in the world. I wonder what would greece do if it was not backed by EU financially all the time Very Happy

bustmaster: whatever you say about the ownership of the Aegean, I tell you once more my sensitive friend, Aegean is owned by Greece, Turkey and international community, all three have rights on it, if this does not change your view, we'll meet in the battlefield one day, rather than a forum page.
Do you apologise from a friend when you call him "malaga"-if the spell is right? Razz

didn't wanna hurt your feelings, sorry Very Happy

bozz: pls, pls and pls, open up a map and look around Turkey once more, look at the neighbours of my land. Or shortly I may remind you:
syria, iraq, iran, armenia, greece are all our friendly neighbours. But try to understand my friend, open up your mind, we do not keep all these weapons for a nation of just 10 millions, you are the least that bother us. We have other more serious problems.

dude you're hilarious. i cant stop laughing at you

Active Member Joined: May 23, 2006 - 03:25 PM Posts: 101

Guys dont' let this get out of hand. We're all much too sensitive about the incident and this cold-war thing which has gone on for too long.
I do not wish to be offensive or read more offensive posts.

At this point , I would like to learn more about TuAF Vipers than point my finger around.

I have seen HAF 330 moira tails painted with a falcon (see pic section in F-16.Net) and TuAF 141 FiLO tails painted with the head of a wolf. Does anyone know birds painted in other schemes? Pics would be welcomed. The IAF has beautiful tail artworks blended with the camos.

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