Forum: F-16 News

Dogfighting happens all over the place meathook especially over the low level areas not just over the now-closed North Sea ACMI range. Saw a set of photos the other day of a Tornado GR.4 being chased through the Mach loop by two 48th F-15s. (Mach loop = extremely busy low level area in Wales)

Another range, Holbeach is great fun especially when the Excalibur competition is on (sadly they aren't running it this year due to SP's A-10s going to Iraq). When strafing.... they open fire directly above your head and you get showered in shell casings if you are standing in the wrong place lol.

Andy

P.s. took this in awful weather at Wainfleet in December...

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Actually, it would be nice to see greek guys in the Anatolian Eagle exercise taking place a few times a year, rather than the Aegean sea. A greek squadron participated in one of the NATO exercises in Turkey, the name of which I cannot remember. Though, not much comments is made about any exercise over here. About the first picture released in the topic, It does not seem to be dogfight, rather a greek F-4 is chasing our formation flying F-4s...

The name of the greek squadron you say is 330 Fighter Squadron ''Thunder'' with F-16 Block 30...

By the way, Meathook, just know something mate,
maybe we'll never grow up and play with our toys but at least we do not open war on nations without a reason or even with lies... Even, I just dont wanna imagine how the US would act if your soil was in the middle of a fire chamber right in the middle of Middle East? Play with "toys" or send flowers with peace messages? You got most of the toys and you know best how to play with them, am I wrong or need any examples?

Meathook wrote:

Yep, some folks never grow up, they got the toys ands wish to use them I guess.

Since there is nothing we can (collectively) can do about it...may the best pilot win and hope it is only their folks getting caught in the fire fight.

I don't believe a war will break out, some over zealous clowns playing far to hard, a few might get shot down....life goes on.

It will stop in time (they each will lose a few aircraft) but what would you suggest, the UN is useless in my book

Thanks for the kind words. Some respect for the people of the two countries (who haven't done any harm to you or have they) and -especially- their dead would be nice. Thanks for reading Wink

You guys are far too serious, you think your words will stop these air engagements? If you have a real bitch about it, complain to your governments, not to me or this forum, we had nothing to do with it. Your government has their issues with each ohter, try keeping it that way. I could care less, I paid my dues...have you!

By the way, as you know my country is involved or in the fire soil daily, so please...your making me cry here and I have not had my coffee yet - get real will ya. No one here really gives a sh*t!

By the way, the Greeks and the Turks have been at each others throat ever since I can remember so please, so please no history lesson will ya (your country or mine) - its too early in the AM and I have been to both countries (sixty as a matter of fact) and seen their behavior first hand, don't bore with with whining OK.

I really donut care to hear it and I don't care who shoots who down, you think my caring will change anything...do you really? Maybe I can "will" all the aggression in the world to stop, will that help ya? Should I just think positive, maybe a special magic spell will work?

If so, I'll try after I have a cup of Joe and a donut..lets see if it works...

Chill out guys, youwill see ...life will go on (it always does) Smile

Meathook, you don't have to be rude with someone if you don't agree with what they said.

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No one here really gives a sh*t!

You might want to speak for yourself next time. There are a few thousand members of this forum, and I don't think they all share your opinion.

Well, they also don't have to go after me either because I stated the truth, they respond to me directly as they did because they don't like my comments about the state of affairs there, that is not my problem, and it is true...I don't care, it goes both ways or I'm I supposed to just sit still...I don't think so, I did not attack them, they came after me...sounds like what is happening over their skies now. Nothing I said is false....

So what, it is only rude when they attempt to give me their negative momments and a history lesson, which I dont need..so who is being rude first? In any event....means nothing, I dont care about what is happening there, it happens all the time, that is the truth

ANKARA, Turkey (CNN) -- At least five judges were wounded when an attorney opened fire in Turkey's top administrative court, according to the state-run Anatolia news agency.

The judges were holding a daily meeting on Wednesday morning when the gunman burst into court's second chamber and fired his weapon.

Police captured him as he tried to escape. The incident took place in the Turkish capital of Ankara.

According to witnesses, the lawyer shouted, "Allahu Akbar (God is the greatest). His anger will be upon you!"

At least one of the judges received life-threatening wounds and was in surgery, according to Ugur Erdener, the Director of Hacettepe Hospital.

The court had come under widespread criticism for a recent ruling that said public employees and teachers cannot wear headscarves while at work.

Tansel Colasan, deputy head of the administrative court, the Council of State, was quoted by The Associated Press as saying the attacker shouted, "I am the soldier of God," and said he was carrying out the attack to protest the court decision on headscarves.

"This attack will go into the history of the republic as a dark stain," President Ahmet Necdet Sezer said in a statement condemning the attack, according to AP.

"These attacks will never reach their goal," Sezer said, adding that the justice system would not be intimidated and would fulfill its duty with "loyalty to the secular and democratic republic."

The country's staunchly secular military also denounced the shooting. "We condemn this vile attack with hate," the General Staff said in a statement.

Turkey, a Muslim country, is a largely secular society and many citizens have long been suspicious of fundamentalist Islam.

However, there are many traditional Muslims in the country, and many women don traditional religious attire.

If folks cant get along in court, how can we expect them to get along in the skies?

Will the madness never stop? Is this planet just going to continue to have problems globally, I think the dog fighting scenario-above the skies (as outlined earlier) is far better than taking it inside, it is better then shooting up a court room anywhere...don't you agree -

Shame but these days, it seems to happen far to often EVERYWHERE in the world (USA too), and the excuse of God is Great (as outlined in this article) is pure crap. He (God) is great but the numb-nuts wielding the gun isn't (it is people that screw it all up, not God) but they will continue to use his name for their sick and twisted reasons. One has nothing to do with the other, would you agree?

I'm still wondering, if God is so great, why does he need some hatespreading extremist to do his will on Earth? Religious fundamentalists contradict themselves all the time.

I could not agree more, mankind (collectively) uses his name, twist his writings and teachings so they can control and do what they want - it is all crap.

I agree with you, people (in general) need to wise up and treat others with respect and try and be kind, but I don't think I will see it in my lifetime...not really.

God did not ask them to behave that way, they did it themselves but so many sure like to jump on that bandwagon don't they! If the man wants us dead, he will do it himself, not use some whacko as a tool (as they like to believe).

RoAF...do you really care? If so, what are you going to do about it, what can you do about it, so these guys are shooting at each other, other then talking about it...what can you do to stop it...nothing - that is my point.

You want to talk about it...go right ahead, means nothing in the big picture show - that is my point, nothing will change because of this discussion...nothing but folks like you getting upset over a rrmark, maybe your skins are too thin...so what?

Dont be so damn touchy about it...its just nonsense anyway. It all is - just something to do and talk about, why do you folks (you at this point) all seem to act like it is some big deal, it isn't, and there is nothing that will change that, no sense getting stressed out over it.

Just because it is talked about here by some (very limited at this point) it does not mean someone really cares about the outcome other then the folks really involved in the engagements.

Saying no one really cares is a figure of speech...you must realize that or your just trying to be a pain in the a$$ about it...what is it? You just want to give me a hard time or what, what is it to you?

WE all have opinions, you have yours and I have mine, you dont have to agree or like it so get over it already.

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boff180 wrote:

When strafing.... they open fire directly above your head and you get showered in shell casings if you are standing in the wrong place lol.

Pedantic note not related to the current flamewar: I don't know what you are getting hit with, but it isn't shell casings, they're cycled back into the back of the ammo drum.

The F4 (SUU 23 Gatling Gun) pictured (somewhere above )does spit its casing into the atmosphere, of course, we know the F-16 keeps there's.

Thanks

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