| Author |
Message |
|
Angels225
|
 Posted: May 11, 2006 - 03:46 PM
|
 
|
|
Active Member
Joined: Jul 26, 2005 - 03:48 PM
Posts: 109
Status: Offline
|
Stupid... yes, could be done back in WWII as I read of Russian guys taking of in german 109's.
So I was wondering, considering todays jets and the support systems that go with them. Can one walk onto an airfield in China and steal a J-10?
Knowing how paranoid they might be about this. what could be done..any one out here with some idea of the complexities involved?)
Vice versa what sort of securities exist at airfields (I'm so dead...how long before I get THE knock on the door  ) |
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
Sponsor
|
 Posted: May 21, 2013 - 12:56 PM
|
|
|
F-16.net Sponsor
|
|
|
|
|
|
Guysmiley
|
|
Posted: May 11, 2006 - 04:26 PM
|
|
|
Elite 1K
Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM
Posts: 1496
|
Walk onto a military airbase, stroll over to a fighter jet, hop in and fly away? Piece of cake. Heck, I did it twice last year. The Chinese are kind of PO'd at me, but what are ya gonna do?
   |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RoAF
|
|
Posted: May 11, 2006 - 04:50 PM
|
|
|
Forum Veteran
Joined: Feb 15, 2006 - 10:45 PM
Posts: 632
Location: Romania
Status: Offline
|
I remember seeing long tome ago a B-category movie (Firebat, Firefox, Firecat...something like that) a CIA operative who stole and flew a supersecret MiG prototype out of the USSR.
Now, in the real world it's much easier to convince a pilot (read traitior) to defect with the plane. Here are only the most well known such cases:
Iraqi Munir Redfa on MiG-21 F-13 fled to Israel on 8 August 1966
Soviet Belenko on MiG-25P to Hokkaido, Japan in 1976 (rumors are he also took the technical manuals with him in the cockpit)
Syrian Abdel Bassam on MiG-23 ML to Israel on 11 October 1989
Soviet Alexandr Zuyev on MiG-29 to Turkey in May 1989 (wounded a guard at his home airfield in the process)
So it happened and it will happen again...but only if someone from the "other side" "collaborates". |
_________________
"It's all for nothing if you don't have freedom" (William Wallace 1272-1305)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Angels225
|
|
Posted: May 11, 2006 - 05:27 PM
|
|
|
Active Member
Joined: Jul 26, 2005 - 03:48 PM
Posts: 109
Status: Offline
|
|
Guysmiley wrote:
I was wondering waiting till the dude is heading down the taxiway, then taking my .23 cz semi and asking him to step out and hand over..uhh..the..umm...nothing i guess.. ill just tell him to start walking away. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
falconfixer860261
|
|
Posted: May 11, 2006 - 07:03 PM
|
|
|
Forum Veteran
Joined: May 17, 2005 - 04:21 PM
Posts: 984
Status: Offline
|
| Some jets require a start cart and ground crew to get running while others do not. Just fish around under the ejection seat for the keys - that's where we normally stash them.... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Guysmiley
|
|
Posted: May 11, 2006 - 08:35 PM
|
|
|
Elite 1K
Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM
Posts: 1496
|
|
|
|
|
|
parrothead
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 03:41 PM
|
|
|
Elite 3K
Joined: May 11, 2004 - 12:04 AM
Posts: 3280
Status: Offline
|
|
falconfixer860261 wrote:
Some jets require a start cart and ground crew to get running while others do not. Just fish around under the ejection seat for the keys - that's where we normally stash them....
I thought they were on the sun visor ! |
_________________
No plane on Sunday, maybe be one come Monday...
www.parrotheadjeff.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
falconfixer860261
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 04:34 PM
|
|
|
Forum Veteran
Joined: May 17, 2005 - 04:21 PM
Posts: 984
Status: Offline
|
|
parrothead wrote:
falconfixer860261 wrote:
Some jets require a start cart and ground crew to get running while others do not. Just fish around under the ejection seat for the keys - that's where we normally stash them....
I thought they were on the sun visor !
Actually they are attached to that cable that is wound up inside that clear plastic tube near the canopy actuator. Just grab that and keep pulling until the keys pop out....
OR
There is also a spare set attached to the yellow and black handle in the center front of the seat. But you have to unlock that by rotating down the smaller yellow and black lever on the front left of the seat. There should be a little silver pin you have to pull first. Just make sure you are sitting in the seat to do this as there is an interlock like riding lawnmowers have that won't let the keys release until you are sitting in the seat..... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
AmmoCapt
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 04:56 PM
|
|
|
Active Member
Joined: Nov 29, 2004 - 01:40 PM
Posts: 146
|
But don't forget, that you can only get those keys, heck into the cockpit after you press the button on the alarm remote to de-activate the alarm.
Its just like the one on my car, one button for pannic, one to lock it up, one to unlock it, and one to open the canopy (trunk).
Any time I forget where I parked my just, I just start pressing the unlock button to see which jet's lights start flashing and which one makes the chirping sound.
And yes, make sure you are properly seated in the chair, as those keys are notoriously hard to get to if the interlock isn't taken care of. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
IDCrewDawg
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 05:01 PM
|
|
|
Forum Veteran
Joined: Apr 22, 2004 - 05:54 PM
Posts: 860
Location: Florida
Status: Offline
|
|
RoAF wrote:
I remember seeing long tome ago a B-cathegory movie (Firebat, Firefox, Firecat...something like that) a CIA operative who stole and flew a supersecret MiG prototype out of the USSR.
It was Fire Fox 1982 staring Clint Eastwood. Great flick, the CGI for its day was top notch, however improbable, it was still a good fun movie to watch. During the highlight of the cold war cloak and dagger era. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Guysmiley
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 05:12 PM
|
|
|
Elite 1K
Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM
Posts: 1496
|
| Falconfixer... I think you're onto a new security feature for jets. Have a fake keyed ignition switch, like a car ignition switch labeled "Off, Run, Start". Tape the key to the bottom of the seat (as suggested). Then wire the switch up to a 110dB horn that will sound until the battery dies. Instant theft warning device! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
falconfixer860261
|
|
Posted: May 12, 2006 - 06:00 PM
|
|
|
Forum Veteran
Joined: May 17, 2005 - 04:21 PM
Posts: 984
Status: Offline
|
|
Guysmiley wrote:
Falconfixer... I think you're onto a new security feature for jets. Have a fake keyed ignition switch, like a car ignition switch labeled "Off, Run, Start". Tape the key to the bottom of the seat (as suggested). Then wire the switch up to a 110dB horn that will sound until the battery dies. Instant theft warning device!
Just snag the low fuel warning horn out of a Dash 60 or a Mule. That should draw plenty of attention. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
parrothead
|
|
Posted: May 13, 2006 - 02:16 AM
|
|
|
Elite 3K
Joined: May 11, 2004 - 12:04 AM
Posts: 3280
Status: Offline
|
|
falconfixer860261 wrote:
parrothead wrote:
falconfixer860261 wrote:
Some jets require a start cart and ground crew to get running while others do not. Just fish around under the ejection seat for the keys - that's where we normally stash them....
I thought they were on the sun visor !
Actually they are attached to that cable that is wound up inside that clear plastic tube near the canopy actuator. Just grab that and keep pulling until the keys pop out....
OR
There is also a spare set attached to the yellow and black handle in the center front of the seat. But you have to unlock that by rotating down the smaller yellow and black lever on the front left of the seat. There should be a little silver pin you have to pull first. Just make sure you are sitting in the seat to do this as there is an interlock like riding lawnmowers have that won't let the keys release until you are sitting in the seat.....
You guys all crack me up, but this one still takes the cake  !!! |
_________________
No plane on Sunday, maybe be one come Monday...
www.parrotheadjeff.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
Angels225
|
|
Posted: May 14, 2006 - 12:37 PM
|
|
|
Active Member
Joined: Jul 26, 2005 - 03:48 PM
Posts: 109
Status: Offline
|
| lol...Maybe some chinese take that seriously and put it in the J-10 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scorpion1alpha
|
|
Posted: May 14, 2006 - 08:27 PM
|
|
|
F-16.net Moderator
Joined: Oct 21, 2005 - 01:47 AM
Posts: 1375
Status: Offline
|
| Angels225, you sure do ask unique questions. |
_________________
I'm watching...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Search
Register
Private Messages
Forum Guidelines
