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Budget cuts to threaten F/A-22 program?



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micius85
PostPosted: Jul 21, 2005 - 02:51 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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Revolution in the balance: budget cuts threaten F/A-22 programme

Lockheed Martin's F/A-22 fighter has impressed the USAF with its advanced stealth, speed, altitude and integrated avionics capabilities, but US Department of Defense cuts may hit the Raptor programme before it gets off the ground.

Report by Bill Sweetman

Source: Jane's International Defence Review - first posted to http://idr.janes.com - 7 July 2005
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Sweetman must have taken a Quaalude awhile back. Since he first entered his purple haze, Reagan got re-elected, the Original Dream Team kicked the $hit out of the entire world, Clinton got impeached, and we went to war with Iraq twice.

Ok, now that we're back up to speed Wink, here's the skinny: First it looked like the program would be severely cut, but Congress had a change of heart. The USAF won't get the first couple numbers of Raptors they originally wanted, and then tried to settle for. It will be a reduced number, but the Raptor is here to stay.

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TC wrote:
The USAF won't get the first couple numbers of Raptors they originally wanted, and then tried to settle for. It will be a reduced number, but the Raptor is here to stay.


Agreed TC.
In addition to what you have mentioned, I would like to add that those numbers are not 'etched in stone' and can be increased with each subsequent block released. IMHO, I feel that this is what will happen.



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I know Bill Sweetman, who is this guy micius85???? TC, seeker, any idea if he's not on the so-called heart-pill???

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allenperos,

Bill Sweetman may be. Wink

I took the liberty of Googling and ran across an extract of the article.

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It is the best and worst of times for the Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor fighter. Last year, the fighter emerged from a long and arduous development programme with a successful initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E) programme, which demonstrated that the F/A-22 represents a vast increase in survivability and lethality over any other fighter. The aircraft was proceeding towards full-rate production at a unit cost which, although high, was at least stable. Avionics problems which had crippled flight testing in 2001-02 had been largely solved and the aircraft was well on its way to approval for full-rate production, which was attained in April.

At the end of the year, however, a leaked memorandum - Program Budget Decision (PBD) 753 - from the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) threw the programme's entire future into jeopardy, by planning to terminate production in Fiscal Year 2008 (FY08), after the delivery of 178 aircraft. Before that, the programme had been working with a fixed total cost cap and a flexible production number; OSD budgeteers expected to see 279 aircraft produced, while the USAF hoped for more. The lower number has several implications, all of them negative.

Ironically, though, one of the biggest impediments in the path of efforts to save the programme is the security regime that was established to protect it. One consistent theme through the life of the F/A-22 project is that the fighter's classified capabilities are beyond what they are generally understood to be.

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics president Ralph Heath remarked at the Paris Air Show in June 2005 that USAF pilots flying the F/A-22 are "discovering and inventing" new ways to use the fighter in combat, "things we never imagined before", says Heath. "The word back is, 'Holy smokes, this thing is very, very different,'" he adds. Programme officials predict even more innovations once the aircraft is in service and the 422nd Test & Evaluation Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base (AFB) can focus on developing new tactics.


Source linked/cited above.

The key point of the extract is the second paragraph [in bold above].

Here are a couple of links covering the above mentioned Program Budget Decision (PBD) 753:The above defensenews.com article mentions this:

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An aircraft carrier would be retired, the F/A-22 stealth fighter program would be cut by one-third, fewer destroyers and submarines would be built, V-22 tilt-rotors and C-130J cargo plane programs would be curtailed.


But further down this long article, it is mentioned:

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What ‘Cuts’ Means

--snip--

For example, there are no significant reductions to the F/A-22 until 2009.


So in short, IMHO, Mr. Sweetman's article title is a little misleading, in that "threaten" really only implies possible projected 'reductions.'
Again, we all know that projected cuts are simply projections that may or may not come into fruitition. There are varying factors that are not being considered that will have to be considered before such cuts would become "official."

Thats my take anyhow. Smile

Someone please correct me if I am in error. I am only giving my interpretation here. There are those within this forum that can give a more informed interpretation, that I am sure of. Smile

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So how many F-22As will USAF have? In Polish magazine I read about 180
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Latest word is 179, but the Air Force might freeze spending on improvements to pay for another four, bringing the total up to 183.

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Sweetman must have taken a Quaalude awhile back. Since he first entered his purple haze, Reagan got re-elected, the Original Dream Team kicked the $hit out of the entire world, Clinton got impeached, and we went to war with Iraq twice.


I hope you aren't making fun of me....hehe
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In Polish magazine I read about 180


I watched a show on the military discovery channell, which said that the likely number of raptors will be somewhere around 120 max. But that was like 6 moths ago. It seems like each time they cut back the numbers.
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