Yep, I recently learn that the F16 that shoot down the Mig 29 was the J-095 ... well, I lost a good chance to tease some peruvians friends ...

Bye.

When you mean the MiG-killer that shot down an MiG-29 from Serbia back in 1999 during operation Alied Force than I can tell you that the serial you gave is wrong. Its not J-095!! Inf fact J-095 doesn't exist in the Dutch airfroce inventory. Serial J-063 is the right one and is in service with 322 sqn at Leeuwarden AB. The Vipers intended for Chile are mostly block 10 A/B MLU's. They are now at Twente AB.
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Dick

you have not provided a single piece of evidence or information that will allow you to make a case as to why the Puma will shoot down Peruvian Mig-29s.

Your country must be proud of its new acquisition and that is understandable

but you do not have information required to make a proper assessment of the Peruvian Air Power apart from information you get from Air Forces Monthly, newspapers or international studies.

I have seen photos of Peruvian Sea King Helicopters armed with Exocet missiles since before the Malvinas war, Mirage 5Ps armed with Python 3 missiles from the late seventies and others that have never been reported anywhere. Yes, I still recall how Air Forces Monthly reported that the M2000s were sold to Pakistan since the Fap could not fly them. Yeah right.

The truth is that neither of us knows what the Peruvian Armed forces are doing, and I would be worried if you did.

A shortage of bullets could make every Peruvian soldier a sniper. One shot, one kill.

I will give you the potential advantage of the single Phalcon AEW plane patrolling the Argentinian border when it is operating and not in maintenance.

IAI Phalcon 707

Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) developed its Phalcon system for Israeli defence forces and for export. Airborne Early Warning, Command and Control (AEWC&C) systems play a major role on the modern battlefield by providing real-time intelligence and command and control needed to achieve and maintain air superiority over the combat area and to enable surveillance of borders in peacetime.

The world's most advanced AEWC&C system, the PHALCON, was developed and produced by ELTA using Active Phased Array Electronic Scanning Technology rather than a mechanically rotating antenna (rotodome) used by current AWACS systems, giving PHALCON greater operational flexibility and performance by several orders of magnitude. The Phalcon AEW&C aircraft is based on four sensors: phased-array radar, phased-array IFF, ESM/ELINT and CSM/COMINT. A unique fusion technology continuously cross-relates the data gathered by all sensors. When one of the sensors reports a detection, the system automatically initiates an active search of the complementary sensors.

The AWE&C phased array radar replaces the conventional rotodome radar. It is mounted either on the aircraft fuselage or on top of the aircraft inside a stationary dome, providing full 360° coverage. This electronically steered beam radar delivers a tremendous advantage over mechanical rotating antenna, as it supports the tracking a high maneuvering targets. The radar can detect even low flying objects from distances of hundreds of kilometers, day and night, under all weather conditions. Verification beams sent at specific, individual, newly detected targets eliminate false alarms. Moreover, track initiation is achieved in 2 to 4 seconds as compared to 20 to 40 seconds with a rotodome radar

The IFF system employs solid state phased array technology to perform interrogation, decoding, target detection and tracking. A monopulse technique is used to implement azimuth measurement. The IFF data is automatically correlated with the phased array radar.

The ESM/ELINT system receives, analyzes and locates radar signals, covering 360o. It combines high sensitivity with high probability of intercept, and achieves excellent accuracy in bearing measurement. The system uses narrow-band super-heterodyne receivers and wide-band instantaneous frequency measurement (IFM) techniques to provide very high accuracy and probability of intercept of airborne and surface emitters. Very high bearing accuracy for all received signals is achieved through Differential Time of Arrival (DTOA) measurements. The system also collects and analyzes ELINT data.

The PHALCON's CSM/COMINT receives in UHF, VHF and HF, rapidly searching for airborne, shipborne or ground communications signals of interest. Selected radio nets can be monitored for signal activity. A DF capability locates targets. Detected signals can be assigned to monitoring receivers instantaneously. The system makes extensive use of computers to reduce the load on operators.

The aircraft communicates, via its data link, with Air Defense HQ. Data from additional air defense sensors are fused to create a complete spatial picture.

The PHALCON systems can be installed on a variety of platforms, such as the Boeing 707, Boeing 767, Boeing 747, Airbus and C-130. This system has already been sold to Chile, where it is designated "Condor".

Peru never bought the F-16 that the USA wanted to sell to Peru because the M2000 was a better package not because Peru was broke, and has successfully flown the plane for almost 20 years. Peru has had a superior air Force to fight two wars for quite a while and now Chile is trying to catch up. That's ok.

It is true that to have different sources of armament is more expensive but given the history of the behavior of the USA, Peru considers that to be vital to its interests. Wish you good luck with your F-16s. Why do you think the Chilean F-16s are not armed with AIM-120s and have other pieces of equipment deleted from the plane. Your F-16s without the Derby would be at a serious disadvantage.

FAP pilots train as well you know, just not long ago the carried out exercises against the USN and flew against hornets and super Hornets.

USN aircraft carriers practiced specifically with the Peruvian submarines since it is well know they are the best and more powerful in the region.

Yes I know that the Tacos went to Chile and that Chile will probably go to Red Flag as part of the F-16 package.

I am not trying to convince you of anything since the only time when we will see what happens is in an armed conflict between Peru and Chile.

I am not even going to discuss politics here, enough to say that Chile has for its own political reasons decided to confront Peru in every area, and I will leave it like that.

Ex-Dutch F-16s for Chile due before September

Joris Janssen Lok JDW Correspondent
The Hague

The first of 18 ex-Netherlands Lockheed Martin F-16AM/BM fighter aircraft sold to Chile will be delivered to Santiago in August-September.

The EUR153 million (USD180.5 million) contract covering the transfer of 11 F-16AM single-seat and seven F-16BM twin-seat fighters was signed at Leeuwarden Air Base, the Netherlands, on 16 December 2005.

According to officials, the aircraft will be ferried to Chile in three batches of six, flown by Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) pilots.

The first batch to be delivered will comprise three F-16AMs and three F-16BMs.

The second and third batch will comprise four F-16AMs and two F-16BMs each and are to be flown to Chile in February 2007 and May-June 2007 respectively.

The 18 aircraft are all in Mid-Life Update (MLU) configuration, similar to Block 52 F-16C/Ds, at the M2 software standard. This includes the automatic target hand-off system for ground attack and an expanded-capability intra-flight datalink able to link eight aircraft but not the capability to use the theatre-wide Link 16 tactical datalink.

The aircraft acquired by Chile were built between 1982 and 1988 and all have logged around 3,000 flight hours. A number of them have already been taken out of active service, but others are still in front-line squadron service and will be decommissioned over the next months, officials said.

All aircraft are to be prepared for delivery to Chile at Woensdrecht Air Base, the Netherlands, including a USD7.5 million work package awarded to Lockheed Martin to remove sensitive hardware and software that is not included in the Chilean deal.

Items to be removed include the capability to deliver B61 nuclear weapons and the capability to employ AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radar Missiles.

Four Chilean pilots are currently in the Netherlands for conversion training on the F-16AM/BM, but a training programme will also be set up in Chile.

The RNLAF will keep 96 F-16AMs and 12 F-16BMs in service. Now that 18 F-16s have been sold to Chile and a further three are to be sold to Jordan (delivery planned for October 2006), only three F-16BMs and five F-16AMs of the Dutch fleet continue to be available for sale.

In addition, Belgium has 12 F-16AMs and two F-16BMs available for sale, for a combined total from the two countries of 22 MLU aircraft. Belgian Defence Minister Andre Flahaut on 7 December 2005 categorically denied rumours that surplus Belgian and Netherlands F-16s were to be sold to Pakistan.

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That is the info I had too. All Block 15, all MLU but I didn't know wich tape. Do you know that?

Cheers

I appreciate you taking the time to set up your arguments.

- It is great you have great spies and a good source of information.

- My point was that there is a lot of information, past and present that never makes it to the general press or becomes general knowledge
outside the military. I never intended to indicate that the Excocets are state of the art missiles, I know better than that. The photos I am talking about were taken well before photoshop even existed.

- Newspapers have their own agenda and can say whatever they want, but as you can imagine, that does not represent the general feeling of the population.

- Feña, I am not as young as you think, and have had contact with the Peruvian military through family, friends and relatives. I know a little bit you know through direct sources.

- In relation with the F-16 issue, I had a good chat with a FAP colonel, some 25 years ago,who had been provided at the time with information
for the F-16A and the F-16/79 due to the US interest in selling the plane to Peru. I had in my hands and inspected at least one thick manual for the F-16/79. Yes, Peru could had bought the F-16A but it was not an option because its armament options would have been limited due to the restrictions that would have been imposed by the USA. The Mirage 2000 was a far better package. Surely there were also other reasons I am not aware of.

- I do not know why and how the FAE shot down the planes and do not know where the M2000s were, I would be lying to you If I had an answer, but one of the results of the war, was that the conflict with Ecuador is finished. That is it. No more mucking around. I am sure the Peruvian armed forces extracted lessons from that conflict.

- I am aware the Derby is already operational with the Fach.

I have absolutely no interest in discussing political issues between our countries because I think is absolutely pathetic how they both loose sight of the fact they are neighbours in the same struggling continent and get carried away arguing about almost everything. I do not know where you live, but everything makes more sense when you step out and look back and see how our countries fight about things that almost seem irrelevant, when people from different countries live in harmony somewhere else. I have not lived in Peru for the past 17 years and do not follow in great detail what is going on. I am only interested in the Military aviation issues. I did not even know the newspaper you show even existed.