U.K. wants to pull out of the JSF and develop a naval Eurofighter according to the Sunday Times.

WTF???????

This person DOES NOT speak for the vast majority of British Citizens I might add...... especially after looking at the website in his sig.

Anyway, back to talking about the JSF.

Anyone heard anything else recently?

Andy

If you look at his website, he is serious! And I do agree with a ban, especially being a condescending little, well you get the picture.

Yes STOVL aircraft are still applicable in a war situation, but NOT when they are crippled like the F-35B, I still think we should order the F-35C or none at all.

Also, an Australian report today has recommended purchasing the F-22 istead of the F-35... they have calculated with budget over-runs.etc, the F-35 is going to cost $137 million US per aircraft!... the F-22 will cost $153 million US.

Andy

If you look at his website, he is serious! And I do agree with a ban, especially being a condescending little, well you get the picture.

Yes STOVL aircraft are still applicable in a war situation, but NOT when they are crippled like the F-35B, I still think we should order the F-35C or none at all.

Also, an Australian report today has recommended purchasing the F-22 istead of the F-35... they have calculated with budget over-runs.etc, the F-35 is going to cost $137 million US per aircraft!... the F-22 will cost $153 million US.

Andy

Buy Raptor instead of JSF, says Labor

Patrick Walters, National security editor
April 06, 2006

LABOR wants the Government to review its plan to buy up to 100 joint strike
fighters, arguing instead for the purchase of F/A-22 Raptor stealth
fighters.

Labor's defence spokesman, Robert McClelland, says in a speech to be
delivered at ANU's Strategic and Defence Studies Centre today that buying a
smaller number of the tried and proven F/A-22s would address a possible gap in combat air power after the retirement of the F-111 bombers from 2010.

He says the Government has failed to provide sufficient detailed
justification for the $12billion JSF purchase in preference to the more
expensive F/A-22, including far more precise costings.

"In so far as cost has been a major issue in the decision to purchase the
JSF over the

F/A-22, it appears that the cost differential between the two aircraft is
significantly less than anticipated," he says..

Defence has estimated the fly-away cost of the JSF at about $US45million
($63million) while the F/A-22 fighters now in production cost about
$US153million each.

But Mr McClelland quotes a recent US government audit report on the JSF
project that says initial-production-run aircraft prices could climb as high
as $US137million.

"Clearly it is not possible to precisely predict the cost of the JSF, nor
does it seem that adequate investigation has occurred as to the cost of the
now operational F/A-22," he says.

Mr McClelland claims there is a significant risk that the JSF project will
not deliver an aircraft with all desired capabilities and within the
anticipated price.

There was little prospect the first JSFs would be delivered in 2012, as
envisaged by Defence.

"It is a complete mystery how Australian ADF representatives can continue to
assert that we will have the JSF by 2012. Our future air capability
modelling should be based on a much stronger foundation than naive optimism.

"The Government's failure to recognise likely delays in the JSF program may
unacceptably compromise our regional air superiority," he argues.

If the Howard Government goes ahead with a decision in 2008-09 to buy the
JSF it will be by far Australia's biggest ever defence acquisition.

Current planning provides for upgraded F/A-18 fighters to be the RAAF's
frontline fighter force until the arrival of the JSF from 2012-13.

Senior Defence sources say what while the unit cost of the JSF may climb
above $45million, particularly if the US buys a smaller number of fighters,
the price gap with the F/A-22 is still far too big.

They add that the US has never exported the F/A-22 and would be unlikely to do so even to a close ally such as Australia.

Mr McClelland says Australia, unlike Singapore, has no second place tenderer on hold should it be established that the JSF project is unable to meet the RAAF's requirements.

'In the event of a nuclear war, we must expect all major airfields to be knocked out on day one.

On day two of nuclear war, the only jet-fighters in the fight will be those which have been dispersed to mobile facilities and capable of using improvised runways and STOVL technology.

That's the Harrier, Andy.'

But what use is the F-35 against those awful plants! The Triffids will swarm and multiply and Peters poor lonely pilots will have no chance. In a post nuclear conflict land the Triffids will be unopposed feasting on the dead and pursuing the poor F-35 pilots and their maintenance crews where ever they go. Everyone will have to take refuge on an island but which one?!! With the UK destroyed and Peter's force of F-35's all that remains what is left to fight for?!!

Oh, it's all too awful to think about. Curse you evil Politicians and your defense budgets why didn't you just give the man what he wanted?!!!!!