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Should Viper #83-1165 AKA "Lethal Lady" of the Vermont ANG be spared from AMARC?
Place "Lethal Lady" in a museum for her historical value to aviation.
94%
 94%  [ 34 ]
Use "Lethal Lady" as spare parts and recycled aluminum
5%
 5%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 36


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Asif
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Boston.com wrote:
Vermont Air Guard proud of nation's longest flying F-16
By Wilson Ring Associated Press Writer / April 6, 2008

SOUTH BURLINGTON, Vt.—In the Vermont Air National Guard, they call it the "Lethal Lady."

more stories like thisThrough a 25-year career, this F-16 has flown missions in Iraq, chased radar blips and unexpectedly added a section to the book of military tactics during its 7,000 hours in the air.

Soon, the longest-flying plane of its type -- aircraft No. 1165 -- will be grounded for good. Later this year, it is due to land at the "Bone Yard" -- the Air Force's aviation graveyard, at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona, where it will be retired or cut up for scrap.

"It's been part of this unit for a long while and (there's) a lot of history here with it, a lot of history with the 7,000 hours and it's going to go down in the books," said crew chief Master Sgt. Terry Tracy.

One night last month, Air National Guard Lt. Col. T.J. Jackman was at the controls over New York's Adirondack mountains when the plane turned over 7,000 hours of flight time.

Jackman and the rest of the Vermont Air Guard don't look at the fighter jet as a plane that costs 50 percent more to keep flying than newer aircraft: They see it as a testament to the ground crews that have kept it flying, years past its expected retirement age.

"She has worked hard. She has been there," said Jackman, who flew Lethal Lady on three tours in Iraq. "She has definitely saved a lot of lives, a lot of Marines, a lot of soldiers, a lot of airmen owe their lives to what this airplane did when she was called upon."

It could do more.

"The airframe is old, but everything inside that's flying the jet, from the engine to the avionics, it's all up to date," Tracy said. "It's old for the year and the hours, but with the right maintenance, you could probably maintain this for probably another 3,000 hours."

But it's not to be.

There are some in the F-16 community who'd like the Lethal Lady sent to a museum, or put on display. Members of the Vermont Air National Guard would love to add the plane to its collection of obsolete aircraft parked outside its gate at Burlington International Airport or National Guard headquarters at Camp Johnson in Colchester.

"It can't go to the Bone Yard, it's got to go to a museum," Jackman said. "You gotta save this airplane."

B-52s can last 50 years, and the Air Force has at least one F-16 with more flying hours than the Lethal Lady, but that's a two-seat trainer.

But its 7,000 hours in flight -- more than 1,000 hours in combat -- distinguishes the Lethal Lady.

"Hitting the 7,000 hour mark is really significant, because it is the first" U.S. plane to do it, said Laurie Quincy, F-16 program communications manager at Lockheed-Martin in Fort Worth, Texas.

A total of about 4,300 F-16s have been produced and they are in service in 24 countries, she said.

No. 1165, a C model, rolled off the General Dynamics assembly line in 1983.

It flew 42 missions during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, was turned over to another Air National Guard unit after the Gulf War and in 1994, sent to Vermont.

It has patrolled the skies over the East Coast, helped keep Saddam Hussein's air force on the ground and provided air support for fighting Marines.

In 2004, a Vermont pilot (the Guard didn't want to identify the individual pilot) was flying Lethal Lady over Najaf, Iraq when he got a call for close air support from Marines pinned down in heavy fighting.

The helicopter that had the missiles needed to destroy the target couldn't expose itself to enemy fire long enough to aim and shoot, so No. 1165's pilot used its sights to aim the missile from miles away, which was then fired by the helicopter.

The target was destroyed, the Marines relieved. As far as anyone can tell, it was the first time that had been done.

"There's actually a formal tactic out there now on how to do it," Jackman said.

In all probability, the Lethal Lady has made its last overseas deployment, although it will still be flown on training missions until later this year when it's due to be shipped to the Bone Yard.

The Guard is in the process of turning in all its old F-16s in favor of a newer model.

Long-range plans call for the Vermont Air National Guard to be equipped with the next generation of fighters, the F-35 Lightning. But the Joint Strike Fighter, as its also called, hasn't even gone into production yet, and it will be years before they're assigned to National Guard units.

Pilots can be sentimental about what other people might consider merely hunks of metal with lots of whirling parts.

Lethal Lady is one of those aircraft.

"I get to fly 1165 quite a bit, which works out well," Jackman said. "This jet belongs to the taxpayers, the crew chiefs take care of it, they take the pride. I just have the privilege of having my name on this airplane."

Source: http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermon ... ying_f_16/

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Is it possible to start a "Virtual Signature Petition" here to help save "Lethal Lady" from becoming pop-cans, and auto parts!?!

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April 17, 2008 (by Dunk) - Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy is pushing to have the nation's longest-flying F-16 put on permanent display rather than cut up for scrap when it's retired from service.

Aircraft 83-1165 , known among the Vermont Air National Guard as the "Lethal Lady," recently became the first U.S. Air Force F-16 with 7,000 flying hours.

The aircraft has flown missions in Iraq and Southwest Asia during its 25-year career.

At the end of 2008 the F-16 will be grounded for good, at the "Bone Yard" - the Air Force's aviation graveyard, at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona.

In a letter to the Air Force on Monday, Leahy, co-chair of the Senate's National Guard Caucus, said it would be better to put the aircraft on display at the Vermont Guard or at the National Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

"The Lethal Lady has clocked record-setting hours and saved the lives of soldiers and Marines in combat, setting new tactical standards," Leahy wrote. "This aircraft and the aircrew and maintainers who helped keep it flying and capable stand as a symbol of the dedication, endurance and values of the Air National Guard and the entire Air Force."


SAVE "LETHAL LADY"! Evil or Very Mad

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A USAF museum volunteer once told me they prefer preserve aircraft that have a lot of combat history. So could be a good candidate. However I can't imagine people voting "no" in this forum Smile
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As Indiana Jones said:

"It belongs in a museum."

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LADIES FIRST - and in this special case please with free entry into a museum! Let us help save this aircraft! My vote to Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy and his great idea!
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it's a blk 25 ... crush her and crush her good Twisted Evil

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I think it is great that an aircraft with a special history is saved (hopefully). Just out of curiosity, what is involved with the preserving process. Is it lengthy and expensive?
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Sharkey wrote:
I think it is great that an aircraft with a special history is saved (hopefully). Just out of curiosity, what is involved with the preserving process. Is it lengthy and expensive?


http://www.amarcexperience.com/Default.asp



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You should always threat a Lady with respect, especially if she's lethal!


USAF F-16C block 25 #83-1165 from the 163rd TFS is parked on the concrete at Fort Wayne IAP in February of 1992.
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VarkVet wrote:
it's a blk 25 ... crush her and crush her good Twisted Evil


I think V2 has been on the sauce again... Beer
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Sorry VarkVet, I couldn't resist.... Poke


Laughing Good one TEG

It may just be me, but I think if you name a jet “Lethal Lady” … that means she has sent more than a fair share of maintainers to Hospital. Sad

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Laughing Good one TEG

It may just be me, but I think if you name a jet “Lethal Lady” … that means she has sent more than a fair share of maintainers to Hospital. Sad


Well one way or another most all aircraft are called "she" (feminine)

I would imagine she was "lethal" to more bad-guys than maintenance folks.

Look at it this way, one way or another (friendly or not) women are the end of us all; am I right?

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Look at it this way, one way or another (friendly or not) women are the end of us all; am I right?

LMAO


Yes, that’s why I dedicate this song to all of them … Human or Machine.

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There should be no boneyard, the jet should be offered to DCCs, I'll make garage spot for my first jet. Laughing

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