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Everybody is picking on the USA, for no good reason at all :rolleyes:

A well, the current crop is doing well digging theior graves and well be back to normal in a few years. Many of your own countryman see it the same. Just check Bushes approval ratings.

Now can we cut the political crap and continue discussing the badly managed JSF program and why its a giant waste of money and why all the International "partners" are getting more pissed off every week.?

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The best thing th USAF can do, is to fully cancel it's part on the JSF program, not going for the NAVY variant, but buyin 600-800 F/A-22 with that money or 500 F/A-220 and 400 F-16bq-60

I don't support the idea to sell Stealth A/C to overseas allies.

Also the NAVY must to consider seriously a navalized F-22 (with foldable wings a la F/A-18 ), I read some where that an F-22 can (theorically) T/O from a carrier with 4 AMRAAM and 2 Sidewinder and half fuel, without require the catapult also with 0 wind, only requiring all the deck from the tail to run.

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Everybody is picking on the USA, for no good reason at all :rolleyes:

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Now can we cut the political crap and continue discussing the badly managed JSF program and why its a giant waste of money and why all the International "partners" are getting more pissed off every week.?

If the "A" version gets cut it's as good as cutting the program IMO. It would be flying whithin about a year if I'm not mistaken for testing and development. Switching to the "C" now adds too much time and money to the program, and probably loses some more already fed up potential customers. That's more time and excuses for congress and the next administration to cut it. Delays almost killed Raptor and added to it's cost considerably. If they do cut the "A" model it doesn't look good at all.

As far as the international partners getting pissed off, well so what? If it's a worthy product at the right time they'll buy, if not they won't. It's that simple. In reality the "International partners" really don't matter very much, and never did with the exception of England. They just complicated the program and made it more expensive. If it was just the US, England and Australia the process would have been simplified greatly as all the technology protection measures would have not been necessessary. Look how much time, money and contention that added to the program.

It should have never been done that way. It was actually managed about as well as it could have been given the boondoggle the managers began with in having "International partners" all of whom couldn't be trusted to the same extent, and demanded as much work in their country be done as possible. A hell of a way to run a railroad. JL Raleigh NC

Even if it was limited to the UK, Oz and the USA it would still bog down to some degree (seem to spend most my day sorting out ITAR for Anglo-US projects).

Be a damn sight easier to work out the work share I'll admit.

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Boman wrote:

I notice there is absolutelly NO post on this topic from ELP Wink

Wonder why Rolling Eyes

Huh? Whatever it is.... it isn't my fault I'm sure. Laughing

Which topic? The topic of the thread or the other "off-topics"? Laughing

..... forget it. I'm going to do something useful and get a beer.

And quit slagging George Galloway. I could listen to him give a lecture on how to dig a latrine pit, he is such a good speaker. Laughing

If I could public speak well... I hope it would be just like George Galloway....

imagine if you will.......

All my ranting on this forum...... delivered in the style and voice of George Galloway...... Laughing

"And one day.....all of these criminals in the military industrial complex.... will stop raping the banks to build useless weapons systems that rob other needed programs..... Give it all back! ..... give all the money back to the JSF partners.... This is NOT a jobs program......... even if it was a valid or useful weapons system in the first place..... I weep for the nation that gave us the catapult .....and carrier landing system..... and was the first one to bring the Corsair safely ....:::pointing finger like GG and looking out into the audience....::::: CONSISTENTLY aboard a carrier deck....back in WWII.... All of that heritage...DEAD and GONE.... replaced by some pencil neck in the MOD who thinks the whole notion of national defense, is based on how many bases you close.... units you disband....or programs you run on a shoestring ...... I weep for our naval forefathers ...... who think you can have a world class aircraft carrier.... with aircraft that use no catapult."

Laughing

Yeah I need another beer. Cool

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