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Newbie Joined: Jan 07, 2004 Posts: 18

Anyone have a compiled list of engines in use by foreign countries? Trying to make a list of wether 220/229/F110-100/B/129 ? If anyone has seen anything please post it here or a link.

Thanks

Jetech

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So you a list of all enine typers, per country ? All engines are used from Pratt F100-200/220/220E/229, GE F110-100/129.

To compile a list of diferent types of engines, just look yuorself. All you have to do is go to the data base here for each country and see what block F-16's they have: Blocks 1-25 Pratt, block 30 GE and so on.

Allot of info is here, just take a look

Mike

F-16.net Editor Joined: Sep 23, 2003 Posts: 2862

Exactly, once you know your Blocks you will know your engines. The "Users" Link on the top left and the "Versions" link will help you out.

Newbie Joined: Jan 07, 2004 Posts: 18

ViperEnforcer wrote:

So you a list of all enine typers, per country ? All engines are used from Pratt F100-200/220/220E/229, GE F110-100/129.

To compile a list of diferent types of engines, just look yuorself. All you have to do is go to the data base here for each country and see what block F-16's they have: Blocks 1-25 Pratt, block 30 GE and so on.

Allot of info is here, just take a look

Mike

But what earlier models still have the PW -200? That's not as cut and dry.

Jetech,

If I see a spare moment I'll try to make a list regarding your question.

Greets,

Don't sure about over blocks, but the F-16I 'Sufa' (Block 52+) have the improved F100-PW-229.

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DeepSpace wrote:

Don't sure about over blocks, but the F-16I 'Sufa' (Block 52+) have the improved F100-PW-229.

Blocks 25-60 are not in question, 1-15 are where there seems to be a gray area if the -220's have been fitted or the older -200's are still in use.

Thanks

Here you go.

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One Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 turbofan.....

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Between 1991 and 1996, earlier models of the F-16 with the -200 engines had them upgraded to -220E standard, providing capabilities and lifespan comparable to the Block 15OCU -220 engine.

http://f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload& ... d=4&page=2

Newbie Joined: Jan 07, 2004 Posts: 18

DeepSpace wrote:

Here you go.

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One Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 turbofan.....

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Between 1991 and 1996, earlier models of the F-16 with the -200 engines had them upgraded to -220E standard, providing capabilities and lifespan comparable to the Block 15OCU -220 engine.

http://f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload& ... d=4&page=2

Thanks I must have missed that.

It is not clear exactly what F-16A's with Pratt -200's were rebuilt as 220E's. Even here at Edwards, onl;y about 3 of our F-16B's wee moded. Also note that F-16C block 25's still came off the production line with -200's. Now, just about all of that block F-16 in service has been retrofitted with the 220E.

Also GE's -132 motor is still to make a showing. After all, it's better than the upgrade Pratt-229. Then again, GE has alwasy been a better powerplant than Pratt in the Viper.

Mike V

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ViperEnforcer wrote:

It is not clear exactly what F-16A's with Pratt -200's were rebuilt as 220E's. Even here at Edwards, onl;y about 3 of our F-16B's wee moded. Also note that F-16C block 25's still came off the production line with -200's. Now, just about all of that block F-16 in service has been retrofitted with the 220E.

Also GE's -132 motor is still to make a showing. After all, it's better than the upgrade Pratt-229. Then again, GE has alwasy been a better powerplant than Pratt in the Viper.

Hmmm better? The -132 is new and much is the same but different, I worked with it for a bit. The only -132's are in block 60 UAE jets. The 229 still has no class A mishaps and GE cant say that. There are plus to each engine.

Jetech

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jetech wrote:

hmmm better? The -132 is new and much is the same but different, I worked with it for a bit. The only -132's are in block 60 UAE jets. The 229 still has no class A mishaps and GE cant say that. There are plus to each engine.

Jetech

The 425th at Luke AFB lost a jet because of 229 engine problems.

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Rampage wrote:

The 425th at Luke AFB lost a jet because of 229 engine problems.

When was the loss? Any details about it?

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Hmmm better? The -132 is new and much is the same but different, I worked with it for a bit. The only -132's are in block 60 UAE jets. The 229 still has no class A mishaps and GE cant say that. There are plus to each engine.

Jetech

Yes Better! Where did you work ithe GE-132? I was on it for prelim before the full blown at Falcon (Edwards) CTF and performance was better than the upgraded 229. Class A mishap is low (Yes there have been a few- Crash Investigation files when I was in QA!) for -229, but then again, GE has had 75% of the production line since the F-16C. Hummmm, looks like the better Engine was worked into the fleet. Also, when you consider that the GE-129's out number the Pratt -229's by over 10 to 1, you're bound to have more problems shear mathmatics alone.

I've worked 6 of the current 7 motors the Viper uses. GE still reins supreme, not only in reliability, but MAINTENANCE! When I first came in, I was rivitised (Rivit Work Force) and spent 4 months in GE backshop. As far as breakdown, GE had it going on with a real modular design, and top-halfing the front fan casing was a great idea!

It's no wonder why the Pratt F-119 feels like a GE motor!! Very simular design, and I wonder why: GE Engineers designed it!

Mike

Newbie Joined: Jan 07, 2004 Posts: 18

I worked the -132 at GEAE. The first production -132 wasnt built 'till early 03. Each engine has good ideas. The F110 to get to mid sump you disassemble the fan to get there, a PW in 3 hrs The fan can be off and out of the way. Combustor panels can be replaced on a PW thus not changing the combustor.

Working 4 months in a backshop does not make an engine troop. I was part of rivit as well and remember how it was. I could crew a jet until an engine problem came up, fix the engine then go back to my jet. Split cases are a good idea, so is a blisk for ease of maintenance, not soo sure on costs. So a F119 has split cases that makes it "feel like a GE"? Like I said both engines have there high points.

The GE isn't really a modular concept, PW used that term years ago so GE has strayed away form that like many other terms such as augmentor/augmenter ignitor/igniter.

Jetech

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