Cope India 2005

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by FDiron » 31 Oct 2005, 20:38

In this years Cope India, 9 F-16s with the support of an EWACS aircraft will face off against an array of Indian aircraft, including the SU-27, Mig-29, and SU-30.

Hopefully the F-16 pilots won't embarrass us like the F-15 pilots haha.

Question: Does the F-16s ECM pod jam enemy aircraft radars?


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by TenguNoHi » 31 Oct 2005, 20:46

If I hear one more comment about F-15s in Cope India..... :evil:

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by FDiron » 31 Oct 2005, 20:50

Oh, you're going to hear all kinds of comments if the F-16 pilots manage to win this one.


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by DeepSpace » 31 Oct 2005, 20:59

FDiron wrote:Question: Does the F-16s ECM pod jam enemy aircraft radars?


Isn't that the point? :wink:


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by TenguNoHi » 31 Oct 2005, 21:00

I think most of the people who work with F-16s on here will proffess things about Cope India also...

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by Sniper69 » 31 Oct 2005, 21:09

The excercise starts in November right? And are there any restrictions for either Air Force in terms of tactics and weaponry this time?


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by elp » 31 Oct 2005, 21:25

You probably wont' get any detailed explanations of ECM or ESM capability on this forum, even though some of the experts are here. Public consumption info only are the rules here.

Should be a fun fight. All the participants will have a lot of fun I am sure. Good to see this kind of team building going on. It's a good thing. Just remember anything that gets to the visual arena....that visually spotting an F-16 and visually spotting a big SU, are at opposite ends of the tally scale. :o :D ( if you can spot a 737, you should be able to spot a big SU. :lol: )
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by hansundfranz » 31 Oct 2005, 22:20

The excercise starts in November right? And are there any restrictions for either Air Force in terms of tactics and weaponry this time?


Of course there will. Same will be true for the indians.

Neither would want to show of the true capablities of their sides missiles so they´ll agree on certtain fairly simple rules to decide which shot is a kill and which isn´t.
Also tactics will be limited by the scenario and the DLOs in most (all?) fights.


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by Boman » 31 Oct 2005, 23:08

You probably wont' get any detailed explanations of ECM or ESM capability on this forum, even though some of the experts are here. Public consumption info only are the rules here.


Here is a PUBLIC site with some info on jammers and most other things one would/could want to know more about:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/

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by HazF16 » 01 Nov 2005, 04:22

any info on the -16 unit that's gon deploy for the exercise?


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by FDiron » 01 Nov 2005, 05:06

Tuesday Sept. 6, 2005, WASHINGTON: The United States is deploying its F-16 fighter jets for large scale air exercises with India to be held at the Kalaikunda Air Base outside Kolkata in November this year.

Twelve F-16 CJs and an E-3 AWACS from the Misawa and Kadena Air Base on Okinawa in Japan will be flying down for the ten-day Cope India exercises starting November 7, according to defence sources.

It is the first time the US is deploying F-16 fighter jets for exercises in India. Washington held back its F-16s and sent six F-15 Eagles from the Elmendorf Air Base in Alaska during the last exercises in Gwalior in February 2004, partly due to concerns over reactions from Pakistan, whose air force inventory centers around the F-16s.

This time the US wants to get it right. Besides, both sides appear to have decided that Pakistan is relatively marginal to their military relationship, which is pegged to broader and deeper concerns.

In fact, when the Indian Air Chief announced in Srinagar last month that US and India were holding air exercises, there was hysterical reaction from Pakistan, which assumed that the exercises were being held in Kashmir (because it was announced there). Washington subsequently clarified that the exercises were at the Kaliaikunda Air Base outside Kolkata, calming Islamabad’s frenzy.

Meanwhile, ahead of November’s Cope India exercises, six IAF personnel visited Misawa and Kadena last month for familiarization courses that included flying the F-16s. At the same time, two American airmen went to India with a similar purpose and they flew India’s topline SU-30s.

Apart from their fighter jets and equipment, the US is also sending nearly 250 military personnel from the Japan-based 35th Fighter Wing and 961st Airborne Warning and Control Systems in exercises that officials say are becoming bigger and more potent with every passing year. Last year, around 200 Indian airmen had flown to Alaska for exercises there.


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by TC » 01 Nov 2005, 05:23

I say this time have NO restrictions on the Viper's part whatsoever. Slammers can be used, the radar can be used to its full capabilities, and no restrictions on ACM. If the Eagles had been able to do this, things would have looked a lot different in the end.

If they wanna talk about an "easy" victory again, we should really stick it up their asses this time! I know the point was to teach the Indians about ACM, but they weren't very polite about having their way with our guys, who were fighting blindfolded, with one hand tied behind their backs.

Before the "usual suspects" (i.e., the Su/MiG fans) chime in, this is what sucks about flying "Red Air." The Red jets do not get to exploit the full capabilities of their aircraft. It was never an enjoyable conversation talking to pilots who had just came back from a DACT mission flying Red Air. The looks on their faces walking into Life Support said it all...

I hope the Vipers wipe the floor with those guys this time. If the point is to teach them something, let us teach them what it's like to be gracious losers! :wink:

Beers and MiGs (and whatever the hell else they fly) were made to be pounded!


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by Lieven » 01 Nov 2005, 08:47

For more info, also see the F-16.net news section:
<ul><li><a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_news_article1457.html">USAF takes 12 F-16s to Cope India exercise</a> - Wednesday, September 07, 2005</li><li><a href="f-16_news_article1291.html">F-16s not to participate in Aero India show</a> - Thursday, January 13, 2005</li><li><a href="f-16_news_article1214.html">Indian Air Force finally gets the chance to take on the F-16</a> - Friday, October 08, 2004</li></ul>


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by shiz302 » 02 Nov 2005, 02:08

Block 50's, get it done!
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by HazF16 » 02 Nov 2005, 13:21

I wonder why they're not gonna deploy the 22nd/23rd out of Spangdahlem to take advantage of their new HMS helmets.


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