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F/A-22 at Hill AFB



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The raptors from the 1st Fighter Wing are here visiting us at Hill (OPSEC guys- it is in the base and local newspapers), and it is awsome to see flights of these jets in the pattern. I expect our pilots will be pissed for the time the raptors are here; they'll probably get tired of having their assets handed to them every time they fly! The F-16 is a good jet, but the raptor is the wave of the future, and I can't wait to see them all the time!

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There for some training, or just a pr " tour'?

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They are deploying as part of the Air Force's effort to achieve Initial Operational Capability with the F-22:

Hilltop Times wrote:
F/A-22 squadron deploys to Hill

by 1st Lt. Genieve David & 1st Class Stefanie Torres
75th Air Base Wing Public Affairs and 388th Fighter Wing Public Affairs


The Air Force's newest fighter aircraft, along with more than 150 Airmen, will begin arriving Saturday for the first-ever deployment of the world's first operational F/A-22 Raptor squadron, from Langley AFB, Va.

The 27th Fighter Squadron, of the 1st Fighter Wing, is deploying here as part of the Air Force's effort to achieve Initial Operational Capability with the aircraft by December. The first deployment of the F/A-22 marks a significant point in the history of the development of their aircraft as well as acts as a test of its deployed capabilities and maintainability.

This is the squadron's first attempt in showcasing they are capable of a deployment from home station, can travel to unfamiliar territory and effectively fly missions in a different environment than they are used to, said Lt. Col Bill Fisher, commander of Hill's 86th Fighter Weapons Squadron, Detachment 1.

The F/A-22 is designed to project air dominance, rapidly and at great distances, and defeat threats attempting to deny access to our nation's military forces. The F/A-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft.

"The F/A-22 is significantly larger than the F-16, so they take up more concrete (on the flightline)," Colonel Fisher said. "The Raptor deployment footprint is also larger than the typical fighter squadron, with flightline maintenance facilities, stand-alone electric generators, a deployable debriefing facility and communications equipment, including a satellite dish, which all needs to be placed near the aircraft."

Organizations throughout Hill have contributed to ensure this first deployment here is a success, Colonel Fisher said. This includes providing airfield waivers, communication networks, logistical support, and lodging and food.

"The 86th Fighter Wing Squadron Detachment 1, 388th Fighter Wing and the 75th Air Base Wing have all been working hard to accommodate the deployed aircraft and personnel," said Col. Robert Beletic, 388th Fighter Wing commander.

The 388th Operations Support Squadron has provided training schedules that lets all 388th Fighter Squadrons have dissimilar training opportunities with the Raptor pilots. "The schedule will help the aircrew of both the F-16s and F/A-22s prepare for upcoming combat deployments," said Colonel Fisher.
The 388th Range Squadron is scheduled to provide needed support on the Utah Test and Training Range for the first-ever weapons employment by operational F/A-22s to targets on the range on Tuesday.

"As a part of their hospitality, the 388th Range Squadron is providing work areas for the aircrew in the Deployed Unit Facility, and maintenance bays are being provided as well," Colonel Fisher said.

"I am very proud of our people for the outstanding job they are doing to host the F/A-22," said Colonel Beletic. "The support from the men and women of Team Hill is especially impressive given that everyone is also busy preparing for the Operational Readiness Inspection."
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There was a big article on the front page of the Langley newspaper about the deployment. They made a big deal about how they are going to be using JDAMs and how the 1FW hasn't dropped any ordinance since WW2.

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Gotta get my friends at Hill to bust out the cameras.

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yeah we just got back from TDY at Tyndall flying against them and now there up here with us. once they fix the bugs these jets aint to bad. they look cool but they break way to often. they had 5 start taxing. 3 didnt make it to EOR 2 got off the ground, one air aborted. so that left one of theirs vs 8 16's.....but you can guess the outcome.
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so that left one of theirs vs 8 16's.....but you can guess the outcome.


Which was?
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my money is on the 22... Though they like to be hangar Queens....

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Not to doubt the 22's tactical advantage and its firing range...but i think it could be a good flight, the 22 has the power on its own but it also has to face 8 16's...anybodys fight, the 16's just need to work together while the 22 just flies around picking them off 1 by 1.

but this is coming from an aussie that hasnt seen the F/A-22 in action besides movies...man i just love the raptors, hope Australia gets some instead of the new Eurofighter
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yeah we just got back from TDY at Tyndall flying against them and now there up here with us. once they fix the bugs these jets aint to bad. they look cool but they break way to often. they had 5 start taxing. 3 didnt make it to EOR 2 got off the ground, one air aborted. so that left one of theirs vs 8 16's.....but you can guess the outcome.


Wow, I didn't know the 22s had so many problems. I know its way early in its career as I'm sure every new jet had bugs that needed to be corrected, but I hope the 22 won't turn out to be a maintenance hog.

So...who DID win the 1 vs 8 fight? Did the Raptor go Rambo on the Vipers?
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the one raptor wiped the floor with 8 vipers. our pilots couldnt see it on radar so theyd start flying and theyd theyd be dead. pilots were saying they couldnt see it on radar. their only hope was "maybe" they look in the sky and they might catch the reflection of the sun off the fuselage. even then they would try to get behind it and the damn turns into itself and gets behind them

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Wow. Sounds like Raptor Crewchiefs could make a little extra cash betting which of the jets completes a mission. Laughing Bet the wing staff pukes are wearing out their PowerPoint briefings sorting out a lot of IOC stuff. Their days might be fun? Surprised

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I heard a similar story about the Raptors not getting off the ground from a friend who went TDY to Nellis, sounds like we don't need many to get up there tho!

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They would have definately seen the raptor or atleast 2 of them that could have only fallen to Aim-9 missiles did.
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They would have definately seen the raptor or atleast 2 of them that could have only fallen to Aim-9 missiles did.


Not all the time. There is still coming in from behind, or out of the sun. You can still remain unobserved at WVR ranges. With an aircraft that can move around as fast as Raptor, easily getting behind aircraft has been something we've heard in other anecdotes, and read and seen on TV from the raptor pilots themselves.

What concerns me are the anecdotes that put only 1 of 4 aircraft mission ready. This isn't what you want to hear during times of Quadrennial defense reviews if you are a raptor fan. JL Raleigh NC
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