Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

Its too bad the F-14 never integrated the AIM-120...would have been a good capability to have.

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checksixx wrote:

Its too bad the F-14 never integrated the AIM-120...would have been a good capability to have.

Actually, the F-14D was the first fighter of the fourth generation fighters who's software was integrated with the AMRAAM but, being the only fourth generation to already have a fire-and-forget missile, further work was canceled. The F-14 outlived its major threat -defending against anti-ship missile carrying Soviet bombers attacking carrier or surface action groups with mass formation attacks.

bobbyjoeblob wrote:

OK I am a huge Tomcat fan... But a Raptor would beat the crap out of it anyday.

I have been a fan of the F-14 since Grumman won the contract back in 1969 but, lets be real folks... it is not threat to the F-22A, in any respect!

I can't believe this discussion managed to go on soooooo long. F-14 is a lovely plane, but has had it's day. Give it pheonix and some bears to play with - sit back and watch the fun, but Raptor is a whole other storey. I am sure eight on one might reap a reward - not sure i would want to be one of the seven splashed though.

Yeah,the F-14 is,unfortunately, outdated by all of the new fighters.But it's still on my top ten list of fighters.

Yes. The competition would be who could get to the ejection rings the fastest, the Aviator or his RIO. Very Happy

do you all understand the capability of the Phoenix Missile, along with an E-2 and a couple F-14's radar all coming from different directions, who knows ???? Devil

Well, the USN fired several phoenixes and they all failed to hit their targets. It was a very unreliable missile even if it did have impressive performance.

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

Well, the USN fired several phoenixes and they all failed to hit their targets. It was a very unreliable missile even if it did have impressive performance.

Phoenixes worked pretty well for the Iranians vs. the Iraqi air force. The problem with the US Navy wasn't so much that the missiles didn't work so much as they were fired outside of their WEZs. They served their purpose in achieving mission kills though, much like HARM missiles forcing SAM sites to shut down their radars.

bobbyjoeblob wrote:

OK I am a huge Tomcat fan... But a Raptor would beat the crap out of it anyday.

I have been a fan of the F-14 since Grumman won the contract back in 1969 but, lets be real folks... it is not threat to the F-22A, in any respect![/quote]

except in looks..

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Yes, we know what they look like.

LoL, Prinz, thanks..

As to the survey (can we hypothesize at least a 2v2 scenario?): as with probably all, if not most cases, imho... it would come down to tactics, the advanced systems and actual weapons being employed by a particular platform. Perhaps only 1:6 engagements abouts, would ultimately come down to a gun-fight?

f35phixer wrote:

do you all understand the capability of the Phoenix Missile

Yes. A most deadly weapon for killing aquatic animals...

Honestly any old school dogfighter would chose the tomcat. it essentially was the last true dogfighter america wielded, and what i mean by this is that it was un godly fast had excellent visibility and made you feel right at home: that you were apart of the aircraft itself not just some component to a computer. which is all the f22 really is its just a flying super computer not a pilots dream people can throw out statistics and random facts about each plane and argue which is better but all it takes is one good pilot and all those stats go out the window an excellent pilot in a tomcat could down an f22 in a heart beat and vise versa the only thing the people of this forum are forgetting is that though the f22 has the cross section of a small bird on radar the tomcat has a 20mm vulcan cannon that doesnt need radar to fire. and in the hands of a good pilot could latch on to an f22 and open up: and as for why the tomcat is retired its just too damn costly to maintain its one true flaw but hey you all can have your own opinions its just my take on the situation.

Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

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