Forum: F-16 versus XYZ

Elite 1K Joined: Aug 19, 2004 - 09:19 AM Posts: 1092

I was using the Block 50 as a best case scenario. Any F-16 with a PW-220/220E engine is going to be relatively underpowered. They may turn well in the horizontal because of their lighter weight, but a Block 50 or even Block 30 will outclimb them all day long. Also, are you sure about the empty weight of the F-16A MLU? What's an F-16A OCU? I never could find what I believed to be reliable empty weight data on the F-16A MLU. It's probably different among the different countries that operate some version of the MLU. A USAF F-16A Block 15 would weigh in just under 17,000 lbs empty. I don't know if the MLUs are lighter or heavier. Do you?

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F-16 OCU is also referred as ADF, air defense fighter. Its essentialy a Block 15 with Sparrow capability and other small improvments dedicated to AA. We never had Sparrows on them, maybe there was some kind of need-to-have-just-in-time deals US sometimes makes.
THe MLU adds about 200Lbs I heard, due to different RAM paint coating and more avionics/weapons cable work. Their main difference is in the pit and all the extra equipment they have is almost ofset by the ammount of older hardware we took away from them for the Upgrade.

Beware that not all MLU's are the same. Some other aircraft in europe recieved some extra optional equipment. Our MLU standard is M2 but M4 is being implemented now as well with extra digital instruments replacing dials.
I heard the artificial horizon just above and between the pilots nees has already been replaced on some aircraft.

I have lived by McCord airforce base for 30 years or so and back in the 70s they had a few f 15s and when the air show would get here we would go and watch them 15s do a super strait up take off. full on after burners and WOW baby looked like to me that they could accelerat going vertical. less than 1000 feet after air born down the runway until vertical climb. UNTIL LIKE 30,000 FEET WOW WHAT A SITE now i could be wrong about how high they went but it was going like the wind

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In Falcon 4.0 Allied force, which is extremely accurate in the F-16 aircraft; i did a takeoff from Seoul AFB, and i levelled with the horizon at 1,000 feet accelerated full afterburner to 500 knots, pulled up 70 degree and got to 31,700 Feet Before getting below 250 knots, levelled out and recovered speed.

As a matter of a fact, funny because today me and a friend went flying to see if we could exceed 60,000 feet, which i barely managed to pull it off with no external hardpoint attachments, just 3 fuel tanks which were jettisoned at 30,000 feet; we accelerated to 500 at 30,000 then did a 70 degree climb, whilst pushing foward on the stick a little to get to 0.0 g's to reduce drag and allow the jet to fly without losing as much speed. Got a Picture Right here: [img]

Notice the Fuel Flow is extremely Low, and the Airspeed is also low. Can't get any higher, it gasps for air, like how our lungs need air for us to be able to move.

ah, the good ol light wieght A model, I want to cram an E model engine in one and let er rip

Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

ah, the good ol light wieght A model, I want to cram an E model engine in one and let er rip

Hell yeah. Evokes this image in my mind:

That's not right. Embarassed

Ahhhh... The Pinto or its Mercury cousin Bobcat....

Just make sure to nott hit the back bumper or it might explode.

LOL

rixile wrote:

In Falcon 4.0 Allied force, which is extremely accurate in the F-16 aircraft; i did a takeoff from Seoul AFB, and i levelled with the horizon at 1,000 feet accelerated full afterburner to 500 knots, pulled up 70 degree and got to 31,700 Feet Before getting below 250 knots, levelled out and recovered speed.

As a matter of a fact, funny because today me and a friend went flying to see if we could exceed 60,000 feet, which i barely managed to pull it off with no external hardpoint attachments, just 3 fuel tanks which were jettisoned at 30,000 feet; we accelerated to 500 at 30,000 then did a 70 degree climb, whilst pushing foward on the stick a little to get to 0.0 g's to reduce drag and allow the jet to fly without losing as much speed. Got a Picture Right here: [img]

Notice the Fuel Flow is extremely Low, and the Airspeed is also low. Can't get any higher, it gasps for air, like how our lungs need air for us to be able to move.

Wow, almost 15 degrees AoA just to maintain level flight.

Did you try a mid-air engine restart from that altitude?

What would be the top speed of a F-15C equipped with one external fuel tank and eight AAM's vs a F-16C (blk 50) with one external fuel tank and four AAM's???

The F-16 would be limited to Mach 1.6 based on that load out. Don't know for the eagle.

O'course one could always ring the OG's doorbell to go faster.

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