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Yummy donuts with RAM coating



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Now THERE'S a pleasant time...

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Needless to say, once I figured that out, my forearms stayed off the shroud... Idea

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blk40crewdawg wrote:
229 guy, more than likely, the rash you got wasn't from the donut at all. I know that trying to get to the upper rotary latches, my forearms would rub on the the engine shroud aft of the donut. It IS made of fiberglas and your arms will get a rash and itch whenever you rub against it.


Im a little confused on what your saying here, The only parts that I rubbed on was the donut and the speed brakes. If you are talking about a part thats aft I can only see that being a part on the engine, being that the donut is the last part of the aircraft in that section. I will tell you with 100% confidence that zero parts on the engine are fiberglass. (Pratt 229)

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Panel 4309 is the panel number. The panel is made of Aluminum(sp). The pain depending on year will vary. The newer jets with the HAVGLASS paint, has some glass particles in it for a feature I will leave out of the discussion. That area doesn't get touched very well during the pain process, so the particles will be more loose and have a tendency to come off when rubbed like when you stuff your arm up there to rotate the panel lock. I have had the same thing, but I don't remember getting it on the older models.


Im with IDcrewdawg still, All the things I can find sais that that pacer gem was for the F-111 and discontinued.

This jet actualy belongs to Eglin AFB (TEST) and there jets have the same coating Havglas RAM or Pacer I don't know.

Thanks for the MSDS that might explain why I have a sore through I thaught I might have started snoring!

Im going to have a chat with our local rep.

Thanks All,
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I thought Have Glass was the gold colored canopy?
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The ECS ducts are coated in a insulation material as well, and with the nacell ejectors right there it might cause whatever fibers are breaking off of the insulation to adhear to that area of the jet for whatever reason. So if your aircraft doesn't have the new paint mixture, then it could be this as well.
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Guysmiley wrote:
I thought Have Glass was the gold colored canopy?


HAVE GLASS was the name of a program. Included many items.

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Sorry to confuse you 229guy. I was talking about the engine shroud on the
-100 and -129 (GE's). I forget that there is another engine for the F-16..... Wink
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Pacer Gem is a paint formulated to reduce infrared signature.

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(1) Assuming you're right, that isn't appropriate for this forum
(2) Assuming you're not, it still isn't appropriate for this forum

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Hi Roscoe. The information I gave is from open sources (specifically, Janes IDR, Feb 2003) so I didn't think it would be inappropriate.

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That's that paint that has embedded nuclear weapons......right Gums?
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overscan wrote:
Hi Roscoe. The information I gave is from open sources (specifically, Janes IDR, Feb 2003) so I didn't think it would be inappropriate.


Really? I must have missed that one...

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IDR learned that the F-16C/D Block 52M + will incorporate low observability technologies derived from the Have Glass I/II classified programs (radar-absorbent materials and coatings).

Have Glass covered insertion of RAM into the inlet duct and on other elements of the airframe, addition of a metalized canopy and foam behind radar. Have Glass consisted of two separate programs:

the radar cross section reduction-oriented Pacer Mud that led to creation of the radar absorbent material called FMS-3049 and

the infrared signature reduction-oriented Pacer Gem that resulted in incorporation of the new top coat paint (FMS-2026) matching the shades of the current paint.

The new RAM was implemented on 60% of the structure, generally on selected upper and lower surfaces, where 10-20mils of RAM was sprayed, adding about 100kg of weight to the aircraft. Polish aircraft are also to be the first or one of the first equipped with new color moving map provided by Honeywell.


This is the section, from an article on Polish F-16 selection.

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Amazing...

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