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I think the other thing that causes frustration with insiders seemingly skirting around the questions, is when people make these posts which say something to the effect of "Well it's not that good if we can't know about it" or "The Su(whichever) can best the 22 because we know about it, but not about the Raptor". The fact is, we can tell you that these posters are very misinformed. Where and to what degree they are wrong, we can't discuss. I'm glad that many people don't want to know some of the classified details. Some people just have no business knowing some of these things.

MATMACWC wrote:

Actually it will be 369% effective against any SU/MIG crap they can throw up in the air.

Good one MAT! It is going to be the most dominant fighter plane in the sky. We are now decades ahead of anything that is even on Su's drawing boards. Those are true statements that I can say, and that about sums it up for me.

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

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Actually it will be 369% effective against any Si/MiG they can throw up in the air.

See TC, now that is a good, funny fact. Doh

It actually involves real made up numbers. I just hope its not too classified, because we wouldn't want to see the FBI come to MATMACW's door, would we?

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It is going to be the most dominant fighter plane in the sky. We are now decades ahead of anything that is even on Su's drawing boards

I take it that you also have secret clearance to what goes on inside the Sukhoi team, ohh man youre lucky. its okay we wont ask for any facts. Very Happy

Shev

We may hate not knowing and the thing is I'm sure many would love to tell us if there weren't repercussions (both personal and strategic) but we'll just have to accept that we're not going to know until there is fighting and even then we won't necessarily know.

I mean think about it. If they say "54 Su-30MKKs were shot down over the Taiwan straights last week with no losses" what does that tell us? Nothing. We may learn that all the kills were done with AIM-120s but for all we know the F-22s were just floating around up at 70k feet or so and the show was being run by a couple E-3s feeding them coordinates. No APG-77 emissons. No visual contact. Just a load of Slammers shooting fish in a barrel. I think many people are neglecting the power of stealth and data links because they get so caught up with supercruise, vectored thrust and "hey the F-22 can't do a back flip".

Roscoe wrote:

Pat1 wrote:

Hi LordOfBunnies,I’m not sure what you know, but RCS must be measured at some standard condition (fixed distance, orientation, and radar settings [power, frequency, sensitivity, etc...]) and is only useful to qualitatively asses two airplanes.

Hmmm....can't agree with you on this one. Without breaking tradecraft, absolute RCS numbers can be and routinely are produced for anything so long as you specify the frequency range (i.e. "x-band") and an aspect angle(i.e. +/- x deg right/left and +/- Y deg above/below the nose). And of course the statistical confidence you want (scintillation and other effects cause variablity in the returns).

These numbers are not relative to other systems but are measured and reported against known standards (like the standard 1 meter diameter sphere)

Thank you Roscoe Very Happy

Do you happen to know what kind of standards are used besides spheres?

None that *I* know of...

FYI....the term dBsm (decibels square meter) has been used for so long folks often forget what that means. When declaring an object has an RCS of "X" dBsm they mean realtive to a sphere of 1 meter cross sectional area, not a flat plate of 1 meter cross sectional area. Big difference.

My subtle attempt at sarcasm must've flown past you AC. Wink

That's why I put that LMAO icon next to MAT's quote. Anyway...

No, I don't have an insider view to what Su is up to. That's why we relied on regular intel briefings. If I couldn't be a sidestick actuator, Intel would be a great job to do. You get to find out a lot of cool $hit, not only about what we're doing, but what THEY are doing too.

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

MATMACWC wrote:

Actually it will be 369% effective against any Su/MiG they can throw up in the air.

Additional PVI studies have shown that, by changing the shape of the pilot relief tube, that number has risen to 382% Two Cents

They are not coming to my door cause I made it up........or did I?????? Do not worry, My pilot relief tube is at least 6 inches.....I mean 12 inches...... It will continue to amaze me the amount of "fishing" on this website....

MATMACWC wrote:

My pilot relief tube is at least 6 inches.....I mean 12 inches......

So is that Mr. Holmes or should we just call you John? Razz

Thank God for piddle packs!

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Great sign I saw in a small airport men's room - "Pilots with short pitot tubes, please taxi closer... LMAO

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Shev, we can only hope that the people who help build our aircraft have as much access as possible to the other guys best intel Wink

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