Forum: F-16 versus XYZ

Sorry, the Su 30ks beat the F-15s in cope India 05. Yet, imagine if the the Su 30K can beat the F-15, then the MKI will definitely be able to beat the F-15. Recently, during Cope India 06 the USAF reportedly got their clocks cleaned( once again). There has been enough evidence to prove that the MKI is as good if not better than the F-16 and F-15. Americans still think that Russian aircraft are bad. You need to refresh your thinking. Russians are catching up to the Americans much faster than you think.

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If you believe that then you have no idea what actually goes on in exercises like Cope.

Is a Su-3X a good airplane, you bet...when properly piloted. Any airplane is lethal if properly piloted.

Please add F-22A to the list and I'll vote. Wink

If I did add the F-22 to the poll, it would be quite unfiar to the others. As the F-22 is the most advanced aircraft ever.

Wolvenom wrote:

dionis wrote:

OH hmm!! Jane's.. yes.. that's a VERY reliable source of information.

You are talking AA-10As, not the AA-10C/D variants first of all, which were massive improvements over the previous models. And where is your data that proves anything about the AIM-120C7 vs the R-77 (which isn't even what anyone wants anymore) so you should compare it to the R-77M and the R-77PD (or something, the Ramjet version). And then again, where is your data on the NIIP N011M Bars vs the F-15 AESA radar? WHERE? SHOW ME?

The R-77M and R-77PD aren't even in service yet, and most R-77's that are in service are mostly in China, and some in India. And how can you even compare an AESA radar AN/APG(v)3 against a PESA radar (N011M), it's pathetic really. The N001M is an S-band rader, 2-4 GHz, while the AESA radar is an X-band radar, 8-12 GHz.

I agree that V(3) is probably better than the NO11M, but latter is X Band, not S and is quite respectable in terms of performance.

dudes iwas at cope india 2005 iam a mig 21 bis pilot i my self locked 2 f -16

welcome, anuragt!
A few questions for you:
1. First and foremost what were the ROEs for the engagements which you mentioned?
2. What weapon were you simulating (R-77 or R-73?) and what weapons "had" the F-16s?
3. A few words about the geometry of the engagement (relative speeds, alt, heading, energy states...)
4. Was EW and jamming used by any of the involved planes?

Hope you can answer these questions for me. Thanks.

anuragt wrote:

dudes iwas at cope india 2005 iam a mig 21 bis pilot i my self locked 2 f -16

Top gun stuff..... Laughing

I downed 3 of them flying a Cessna with a shotgun attached on the right wing...More believable...

anuragt wrote:

dudes iwas at cope india 2005 iam a mig 21 bis pilot i my self locked 2 f -16

The F-16s that you locked on (if what you claim is true) were not JHMCS equipped afaik...so not a big deal when comparing a HMS-equipped aircraft with a non-HMS equipped one in my opinion. Without HMS, the Bison is SOL against a Viper.

blain2 wrote:

anuragt wrote:

dudes iwas at cope india 2005 iam a mig 21 bis pilot i my self locked 2 f -16

The F-16s that you locked on (if what you claim is true) were not JHMCS equipped afaik...so not a big deal when comparing a HMS-equipped aircraft with a non-HMS equipped one in my opinion. Without HMS, the Bison is SOL against a Viper.

It is SOL anyway.I don't think he's a pilot.Either way,he doesn't say the truth Twisted Evil

It all depends on the ROEs guys! What he says it's not impossible, especially in an exercise.
What if the Vipers had only a generic 20 km SARH (like the Eagles in Cope India 2005) and the 21bis had a 50 km range Adder?

Here, just to pour more gas on the fire: Wink

RoAF wrote:

It all depends on the ROEs guys! What he says it's not impossible, especially in an exercise.
What if the Vipers had only a generic 20 km SARH (like the Eagles in Cope India 2005) and the 21bis had a 50 km range Adder?

Here, just to pour more gas on the fire: Wink

I agree not too sure of the RoE either.

I know its not impossible given the fact that we have Vipers flying against the F-7PGs (cranked delta wing) which are way more maneuverable than the 21Bis and are pretty challenging to go up against in DACT.

I guess we would have to ask Moose69 if there is a gun camera shot for the 2nd engagement when the F-16 had the MKI in the WEZ!! Cool

Also with JHMCS, the MKI would not be a major problem either for the Viper if the capabilities of the cueing system are properly employed.

Bring these damn sukhois in FALCON4.0 and i will give them some lessons

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