Forum: F-16 versus XYZ

Cru, show us that it cant. Avon provided numbers, will you. Saying that it cant, is just that. A safe way out.

Shev

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In an interview with Mikhail Simonov shortly after the "cobra" was first demonstrated by Victor Pugachev at the 1989 Paris Air Show stated that the maneuver is a good way to loose 200kts in a few seconds. Entry speeds at airshow is under 300kts are best for controlability at 1,000 feet but, this is not the maximum entry speed. Maximum entry speed is as I stated around 450kts (720KmHr).

Adrian

Adrian, first of all 450 x 1,825=821,25 km/h
second, if a pilot pull the stick as hard as he can at this speed, all what he can do is climbing; be no means he will enter in a cobra.

Yeah, you can't just pull a cobra at full speed. I haven't even seen that in simulator like Lock On.. Anywhere from 250Km/h to 800Km/h should be very doable..

Also, another comment about the APG 63 (V) 2. There are only 18 entering service with F-15Cs in Alaska. I don't believe the program will be carried out further.

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Also, another comment about the APG 63 (V) 2. There are only 18 entering service with F-15Cs in Alaska. I don't believe the program will be carried out further.

Oh really?

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Point taken, I meant the USAF.

I think the MKI will win. The avionics a excellent and it has marvelous manuverbility.

Not really in a dog fight between the f-16 and su-30mki it will be egual while in bvr engagement su-30mki would [Link pending approval] a Interceptor attack where the f-16 is chasing a su-30 mki the f-16 would [Link pending approval] the fihgt would highly depend on the [Link pending approval] yeah and dont forget that the su-30 mki is not combat proven and the f-16 has won almost all encounters with russian fighters.

I has been proven on fake combat during joint excersises.

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I has been proven on fake combat during joint excersises.

where and when?

Uh oh back to the Cobra again. Cobra=strafe target. Cobra in a modern gen HOBS heater envrion means an easier HOBS/HEATER tracking solution. It would be nice if the amatuer aviation press would understand that the SU-27 3x is very dangerous without using any of that crap.

*Fuel-Range-Sustainment- ( more fuel to waste burn for speed build up etc )

*Contempt of engagment of an F-16 class aircraft if the F-16 formation is dectect at long distance. I ( as a big SU ) can bingo you, you can't bingo me. I can drive around you, you can't drive around me ( ok not all the time on that second one, but still a problem ).

*Mutial support. Which is the bread and butter of any tactics. But in the case of the large SU:Proper team work makes it extremely deadly.

Certainly an F-16 is deadly just by the fact that it will spot a SU before a SU spots it. That all by itself can get you killed.

All of this is fun to look at but it is the main reason we went with the F-22. We have NO interest in a weapon system that has to fight on parity ( legacy aircraft ). Wanting to fight where the match up is close or even kinda close in ability is something we do not want to do. We are getting out of the legacy vs. legacy aircraft fighting business. We are moving on. There is no future in it for us. Do I really care if a F-16 is a perfect match up to a big SU? Not really, because we won't fight a big SU on those terms. Ever.

Mastiff, you must have forgotten due to your poor knowledge that the Indian Air Force did actually prove itself against USAF F-16s during Cope India 2004. It also again proved itself against Singapore F-16s. You have to admit, even by the looks of it, the Su 30MKI looks deadly.

IndianAir Force, the IAF did not fight Vipers in 2004, nor did the IAF use their Su-30 MKI...so it doesn't prove the effectiveness of the MKI at all.

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Mastiff, you must have forgotten due to your poor knowledge that the Indian Air Force did actually prove itself against USAF F-16s during Cope India 2004. It also again proved itself against Singapore F-16s. You have to admit, even by the looks of it, the Su 30MKI looks deadly.

Uh huh. Cope India 04 gets more and more epic every time it's retold. IndianAirForce, you should do more learning, and less posting untill you have a better understanding of what you're talking about. ts79 points out some of your mistakes here. Reading through all the posts relating to Cope India should be a good place to start. It'll hopefully help you keep from making similar incorrect statements in the future. JL raleigh NC

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