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Artificial Intelligence in the F-35?



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PostPosted: Jul 01, 2006 - 10:23 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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In the summer of 1988, Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company, Georgia demonstrated an expert system to a group of over 200 people from MoD and science-institutes. The expert system was developed together wit General Electric, Loral Defense Systems, Search Technology, Teknowledge Federal Systems and Titan Systems.

The expert system was part of the Pilot's Associate program, an artificial co-pilot aimed for application in the ATF/ F-22. The PA supports the pilot during critical situations, is doing mission planning and advices the pilot about the status of onboard systems.

I know that there is software in the F-35s Integrated Core Processor, that is called 'tactical decision aids' or "planners". Search, attack, avoidance and denial planner modules work simultaneously with fused data producing action plans for the pilot.
Planning programs are a form of artificial intelligence, are the F-35s 'planners' a (further) development of the Pilot's Associate?

The F-35 flight control /vehicle management software is described as non-linear dynamic inversion software. Somebody who is involved in the JSF program, described this software as an 'living organism', if control sufaces are misfunctioning or (battle) damaged, than the FCS adapts itself.
Is this artificial intelligence too?

We improved monkeys, we fuse data sensed via our 5 or sometimes 6 sensors via association.

Data fusion can be done with algorithms, but I think this can be done better with AI.

The F-35 will fly all-weather day/night; air defence, CAS, interdiction, strategic attack, SEAD/DEAD and ISTAR missions without a weapon system officer. Experiences in Gulf War 1 and the 1999 Kosovo-campaign have learned that at some missions a 2nd crew member is needed, a lot of Rafales and all F-16s are twinseaters.

Most humans do not think logical and rational when we go to war and when the gun barrels start talking it even gets worse. As Eisenhower said, 'plan for the worst' and be prepared that plans do become useless because of quickly changing situations. So it is handy to be flexible and have a great capability of improvisation, by the way, improvisation is a weakness of Americans.

In the F-35, the WSO work is done by logical operating computers, the Triple Ugly contains approx 5.000.000 lines of code, so the F-35 can be described as an UCAV with onboard man in the loop. This can be helpfull with the development of truly unmanned UCAVs.

I hope, that the F-35 software can cope with unlogical/non-rational chaotic warfare.
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improvisation is a weakness of Americans.

Great way to get alot of people fired up, don't be suprised if you catch alot of flack for that one.

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Most humans do not think logical and rational when we go to war and when the gun barrels start talking it even gets worse.


Speaking of thinking rationally!?!

As far as making thing worse...addd yourself to the list along with the gunbarrels.

This thread is a topic that doesn't even need to be talked about.

And as far as your opinions of Americans goes...keep your Whisker Biscuit Secretions to yourself. No need for that kind of negativity here, no matter what flag you rest under! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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War may be illogical but we are trained to be logical in any crazy situation and to IMPROVISE when we need to. Oh by the way thanks for that crap about Americans really smooth.
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Relax boys, the observation about bad improvising Americans is NOT meant as an insult, see it more as self-reflection.

No, I am not in a 'fishing mode', although I like Rex Hunts Fishing Adventures, a well-known Australian TV program.

In a democacy, I have the right to ask any question without the risk of being thrown in prison or worse.

If I ask something that is opsec/ infosec etc. related, than please Americans: do not overreact! Just say: sorry boy, no comments that's classified/secret, period.

We can discuss about the parts that are not secret, once I asked a PATRIOT operator: What is the range of that Patriot radar? He did NOT OVERREACT, he said: well that's classified, but the range is well over 185 km /100nm, period.

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AI is already implented on many systems, but you see this IA apps as std apps, it are designed to look as std apps but are AI solutions for non-linear problems, most of these AI solutions (As neural networks) are on the Radar system, diagnostic systems use to be a kind of Expert System, and sure more system.

Using AI to help to modify tactics on the theater maybe possible but sure isn't somthing espectacular as you see on holliwood's movies.

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What is AI?

a. The ability to do some things instead of humans
b. Ability to come up with new solutions not already being thought
c. Ability to learn from trial and error
d. All of the above

I would think that what we may see in the F-35 is an advanced version of A, which in my book is not AI but well defined rules and responses.

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locum wrote:
Relax boys, the observation about bad improvising Americans is NOT meant as an insult, see it more as self-reflection.


Uh-huh Rolling Eyes
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