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Posted: Aug 05, 2005 - 01:28 AM
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Several months ago I submitted the name Sparrowhawk to the JSF program office. Sparrowhawk was a name of a Curtis fighter back in the earlier days. I do like the name Kestrel too.
F-35A (USAF): Sparrowhawk
F-35B (USMC): 'They'll go with whatever name'
F-35C (USN): Wasp or Cougar
F-35B (RAF/RN): Kestrel or Zephyr |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2005 - 01:31 AM
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I sumbitted the name 'Sparrowhawk' to the JSF program office several months ago. I also like kestrel too. Even Cougar sounds good. Thundercat just brings up bad thoughts on 'Lion-O'. I don't think the USAF will go for 'Wasp'. Hmm, what about Berkut, even though the Russians have an airplane by that name? Although, 'Joint Strike Fighter' does have a nice ring to it. Ok, I'll stop now. |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2005 - 01:04 PM
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| I mentioned Phoenix a while back so I'm going to stick with it. I still think it's a cool name and so is the bird that it belongs to. Besides, I don't think the missile did it any justice, so here's hoping the F-35 will if it bears the name. |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2005 - 01:36 PM
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The UK won't call it the Kestrel.... they only re-use names of aircraft if they have been Operational. The Kestrel was not an operational aircraft, just a prototype for the Harrier.
They tend to use bird/animal names that reflect the capabilities of the aircraft... the Kestrel and the Harrier species can hover at will whenever they want... and so could Harrier the aircraft due to the nozzles.
The F-35 however wont be able to change verticle direction instanteously like the Harrier could due to its (TBH) stupid VTOL confirguration. The configuration only makes VTOL useful for take-off and landing... people don't learn lift fan and rotating rear main nozzle VTOL aircraft have all failed as its been impractical (Mirage, yaks, even the UK's shorts attempt)... so I reckon a name will be used to reflect its true VTOL capabilites.
The European Buzzard can hover... but only for short periods of time mainly when it wants to land on a specific spot or taking off out of a difficult spot.... therefore I reckon the UK name will be the Buzzard FA.1 remember we dont use US style aircraft designations.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2005 - 10:55 PM
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Buzzard?
Nah, I'm still hoping for FA.1 Tempest. Complete the set then. |
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Posted: Aug 11, 2005 - 05:35 AM
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Wow! I'm surprised no one had yet mentioned that Cougar has already been taken too!
The Grumman F9F-6 and -8 were both known as the Cougar. They were part of the famous Grumman "Cat" series, and were both flown by the Blue Angels.
I stated on the other thread, that since this aircraft will be operated by the USAF, USN, USMC, and RN, it should be Phantom III...besides, with a low RCS, it will be very ghost-like.
Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded! |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2005 - 10:18 PM
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F-35 Deep Purple... hahahaha... nah, I'm joking.. I still vote for Razorback
PS: For me, F-35 Blackmore sounds good, but i don't think that Ritchie wants a plane with his name... |
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Posted: Aug 17, 2005 - 03:54 PM
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8/16/2005 - WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- When researching what to call their children, parents often turn to a book of popular names. Or, they may select one they have heard simply because they like it.
The process is not so simple when naming a military aerospace vehicle. For the Air Force and its sister services, the process begins within the asset identification branch of Air Force Materiel Command's logistics directorate here.
Deciding which popular name, as they are called, to assign an aircraft begins as early as possible in the aerospace vehicle development cycle, in some cases as soon as an aircraft is envisioned by developers. Military departments usually submit three names in order of preference once the vehicle reaches production or enters the inventory.
The names are then checked against the DOD master list of already existing names as well as a list of working names currently pending. A handful of trade publications also are checked to ensure a private company does not already have a well-known aircraft by the same name.
"If those names do not hit against what's currently assigned in the master list, we will send that request to the headquarters AFMC public affairs office," said Mr. Keven Corbeil, program manager. "They will, in turn, send that up to the secretary of the Air Force public affairs office for coordination. They will be the ones that coordinate through the legal department to check patents and trademarks and all the other areas receiving final approval or disapproval of the popular names."
Regulations state names should be brief, no more than two short words and characterize the mission and operational capabilities of the vehicle. But the creativity of the words is left to the organization requesting a popular name.
The Department of Defense established the current designator reporting system in 1962 with publication of Air Force Regulation 66-11, which evolved into the current Air Force instruction to standardize identification of military aerospace vehicles. This system uses letters and numbers to symbolize identifying characteristics of aerospace vehicles of direct interest to the DOD.
An aircraft may receive its letter and number designation, such as A-10, for identification before it is assigned the name, such as "Thunderbolt II," or both may take place concurrently.
Names are not reused or recycled for new vehicles.
"Even if it is a completely different vehicle, say we have a missile with a certain popular name, we would not use that popular name again for any other military aircraft," Mr. Corbeil said. "The reason for that is we don't want to introduce any confusion in the media when that name is released."
The asset identification branch is in the process of verifying older aircraft names to ensure they have the most accurate master list available. This way, historic aircraft will be able to maintain their heritage without the name being reused.
Popular names allow the media and the public to be familiar with an aircraft. But sometimes the media drives the eventual naming of an aircraft.
"During the contract announcement for the X-35, the media was asking what its name would be," Mr. Corbeil said. "The next mission design series to be assigned to the fighters would (have been) the F-25, but it was announced to the media that since it was the X-35 it would be the F-35. That really placed a lot of pressure on this office to avoid confusion and submit the request to the Pentagon to name it the F-35."
Not all military equipment merits a popular name, however. Engines are given type and model series modification numbers for military designation, but will not be given a popular name. Likewise, electronic items, support equipment, and ordnance are given type designators for military designation, but not a popular name.
Courtesy of AFMC News Service
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Posted: Aug 17, 2005 - 10:22 PM
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Hasn't "Razorback" already been taken?
The P47D Thunderbolt Razorback? WW2 vintage. I think it was distinguished by having a different canopy than the standard versions.
Ok it may be a variant name, taken all the same!
"Diamondback" was the variant name for a P-51 Mustang, P-51D-25na. A dual control/dual cockpit airplane. |
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Posted: Oct 29, 2005 - 09:22 PM
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Hasn't "Razorback" already been taken?
The P47D Thunderbolt Razorback? WW2 vintage. I think it was distinguished by having a different canopy than the standard versions.
Yeah, but "Razorback" was only a type of nickname for that version of the
P-47, the official name was Thunderbolt. So my vote is still on Razorback for the F-35 |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2005 - 12:15 AM
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Cougar is also the name of a French helicopter, or doesn't foreign material count?
I voted Phoenix by the way, I think it fits the airplane, but I like Razorback also. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2005 - 11:17 PM
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Posted: Nov 01, 2005 - 08:43 PM
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| Hey guys. When will the official name for the F-35 be revealed? |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2005 - 12:02 AM
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Personally, I like to see the F-35 called "Raven".
Raven (as a verb): To seek or seize as prey
I know some people might say "The EF-111 was called Raven." Yeah, but it sounds right, the name by definition is correct, and the EF-111 was retired prematurely. Besides, doesn't it sound right to hear "Raptor and Raven" in the same sentence?  |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2005 - 12:55 AM
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won't the F-35 get it's nickname when it's unvieled next year?
BTW what about Gyrfalcon. Too close to the F-16? |
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