Forum: Air Power

Jman, take care of your manners, have you got any problem with the spanish speakes?, yes, weare spanish speakers, so?....also it seems that you like a lot science fiction, the fact is that no nimitz class aircraft carrier was in the area, an no F-14 ever flew...besides, your assumption that the argentines pilots wouldn´t fly against such a fleet, i recommend you to study better latinoamerican history before making such statement, our pilots aren´t cowards, and they would fly till the last airplane, and yes the Shea played a key role, thanks to the AIM-9l and the nearby fleet wich gave them more range...i would like to see you flying at 900 km/h touching almost the waves of the ocean, with just enough fuel to go, throw the bombs and return.....snypa777 and me and make a very good discussion here, but with respect, he gave his opinion as a british citizen and i gave mine as argentine and latinoamerican, may be he could teacho you how to behave in a discussion, without offending other people..

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PUCARA, just ignore him, he WILL go away. Moderators take note, we don`t need these idiots on this fine website.

Thank you very much for your support snypa777. You are welcome anytime....God save the Queen......Take care friend...

Forum Veteran Joined: Aug 29, 2004 - 01:05 AM Posts: 659

So very good that the two of you are having a civilized argumented discussion, Snypa and Pucara! Good on you fellas. As for Jman, it so happens that I'm a Spanish speaking Dutchman, married to a Spanish lady. I sure feel offended, and I happen to know that Spanish and/or South American airmen are just as professional als the rest of us. No place for you here dude...
Cheers.

Thanks for that Peter, and PUCARA 70.

I DESPISE racism in any form, because that is what that fool exhibited. I hope the mods` have banned his A$$! Like you Peter, my girlfriend is Spanish, from Barcelona, she read his "posts" , I won`t tell you what language she used! Trolls come and go, luckily, this forum seems to be self regulating and all members, even in heated debate, stay away from racist behaviour.

Although I have seen a couple of comments that have turned my stomach, most members are not of the low fore-headed type!!!

It's been a while but I'm on the road again... Smile

What the hell thought Jman when he called us "Spanish Speakers"? I speak Spanish, like Pucara and all the people of South America, Central America and Spain. I hope that the moderators do something on the matter. The only thing that we must do is ignore people like him and continue with our fine discussion.

Cheers Cheers

Forum Veteran Joined: Aug 29, 2004 - 01:05 AM Posts: 659

So Snypa, your girl is from Barcelona, my wife is a real Gallego, from Villagarcia de Arosa, Pontevedra, Galicia... Hola Signorita Snypa! (off topic)

UrgggHH, Peter, my girl slapped me on the head spelling out the word -C-A-T-A-L-A-N- as she was doing it!! I forgot for a moment that she dislikes being called Spanish! Embarassed

(Except when she is abroad!). OUCH!

Hi Ryan, don`t worry, there is far more good than bad around here. I am sure you know this! Wink

I've updated the AIM-9 Sidewinder article in the Armaments section with some detail on the Falklands War. Would be interested to here comments about that in case I've missed stuff or made errors.

Great thread! I'm a retired AF C-130 crew member. I know the Harriers shot down a AAF C-130 and was wondering if anyone has any info on this mission. I had always heard the story as the Herk took two missles but both hit the same engine(#3 I believe). With the Herk still airborne, #3 possibly burning, the Harriers made 4 gun passes. In the end the Herk performed a precautionary ditching.
Any insight?

Thanks

jbob wrote:

Great thread! I'm a retired AF C-130 crew member. I know the Harriers shot down a AAF C-130 and was wondering if anyone has any info on this mission. I had always heard the story as the Herk took two missles but both hit the same engine(#3 I believe). With the Herk still airborne, #3 possibly burning, the Harriers made 4 gun passes. In the end the Herk performed a precautionary ditching.
Any insight?

Thanks

Hello jbob, not sure if you wrote this before reading the AIM-9 Sidewinder article or if your responding direct to this particular thread on the airwar.

What I could find suggested the C-130 took only one missile hit as the other fell short of the target. The ditching sounds viable as this all took place 50 miles or so North of Pebble Island. However I think the damage sustained from both missiles and guns was enough to cause it to crash with loss of all hands.

ASIF is right, only one AIM-9L hit the C-130, one fell short. The missile hit between the port engines and caused a fire. Then 240 rounds of 30mil ADEN cannon were fired at it in the same area, causing the wing to come off and then the aircraft crashed into the sea. All 7 crew were lost. This mission was recounted by Commander Ward and was one of his three kills during the war.

This particular C-130 actually tried to previously bomb a RFA tanker by pushing bombs out from the rear ramp! Remarkably, one bomb hit the tanker but just skipped off.

Actually pucara70, the kill ratio of the Sea Harrier against the Mirage III was 13 to 0. What you're referring to is just a friendly fire that took place. The Sea Harriers downed more than just one Mirage III, and it was not the one/s that was destroyed by fratracide.

If the F-14 Tomcat and USN Carriers had been deployed to the Falklands there would have been no war. If any Argentine Pilot attempted to take off he would have been ripped to shreds by the Tomcat just as he retracted his landing gear. And The Carriers would not have been in danger because the Argentines would not have been capable of getting past the F-14. And the Argentines had no ground launched missiles to launch at the Carriers.

Pucara I have nothing against you or spanish speakers and I apologize for that comment, but you have done a fare share of fiction about the Falklands in your writing. First of all I know there were no Tomcats or Nimitz class carriers in the Falklands, I was just stating what would have happened if they had been there. But some of your remarks such as the air-to-air Kill Ratio, and what exactly was destroyed by both sides is very ficticious. I'm just telling you what I have read in countless books about the Falklands war. I may be wrong about some things, but definitly not what I have posted. Anyways sorry about the comment, and I hope to get on better terms with you.

Forum: Air Power

Aerial Combat during Falkland Campaign 1982