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Posted: Apr 11, 2005 - 06:59 PM
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Posted: Apr 11, 2005 - 04:59 PM
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| yeh, not sure this is accurate |
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Posted: Apr 11, 2005 - 06:25 PM
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| Hi Trailmix, thanks for your feedback. Could you perhaps point out which part of the story might be incorrect? |
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Posted: Apr 11, 2005 - 07:15 PM
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Well my information is heresay too, but basically the 174th fighter wing is open for business until BRAC closes them (which may be this fall). As of now they may be adding a drone squadron, but that is still up in the air as well.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 - 04:50 PM
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| Another possible BRAC victim huh, sucks. I was contemplating going there. It's either that or the NJ squadron, but I'd really prefer to stay with the GE mota. |
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 - 05:20 PM
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Yeah, my old man retired from there a little less than a year ago. There is talk of converting, there is talk of keeping the viper, they all agree they dont want to go the way of the niagra falls unit... If they do convert, some guys will get the opportunity to go to other units, everyone who is O5 and up will probably retire. and other guys will be forced into conversion...
GE = good engine, when it breaks you aint gettin it back, but it works like a champ until then... PW's sputter and compressor stall and all that other crap....
but atlantic city is a pretty dirty city, are you sure you would want to live there? |
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 - 06:47 PM
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what they SHOULD do in NY is just combine the C-5, C-130 and F-16 units together at Stewart... better strategic location, large enough facility to accomodate aircraft, proximity to training routes and MOAs etc. As far as getting the drone sqdn, i really hope they dont convert... sharing would be OK, but I really hope they keep the viper or WCS convert to the raptor. Wishful thinking... time will tell!
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 - 09:15 PM
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swanee wrote:
...but atlantic city is a pretty dirty city, are you sure you would want to live there?
The city itself is quite grungy, true. But the area where the base is located is not bad at all, IMO.  |
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 - 05:53 AM
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Ok Im going to set the story straight about Atlantic City. For the past 10 years improvements that have been made have improved the image of the city. Yes at one time the city looked like down town Baghdad, and there is still parts of the town that need improvement. But the city is on the up swing, with new casinos, shopping and resturants. I should know Ive lived in the area for 26 years. The base is in a good rual area away from the city with alot to do on your off duty time. And if you want to see for your self what the city looks like on 31 Aug 05 they are having the anual airshow on the beach with the ThunderBirds performing best part its FREE!
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 - 08:40 PM
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 - 09:49 PM
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| It makes sense that the federal government would need state approval to close/re-align a state base. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 05:54 AM
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 03:12 PM
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Here is another story about the Predators at Hancock Field, from the Syracuse Post Standard at: http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststanda ... thispage=1
The story is diliberately vague about the future of the F-16's (until BRAC) although it does state:
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The 174th Fighter Wing maintains 18 F-16 Falcon fighter jets. The aging jets are being phased out as the Air Force moves to newer jets.
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Hancock's six aircraft shelters are large enough to hold the Predator drones, Basile said.
Mike Kopack
ex-of Syracuse (Liverpool) New York
From the Syracuse Post Standard:
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Squadron could bring 460 jobs to Hancock
Tuesday, May 10, 2005
By Pedro Ramirez III
Staff writer
A squadron of unmanned aircraft is coming to Hancock Field Air National Guard Base, and with it as many as 460 jobs and a potential economic benefit to the Syracuse area, top political leaders are saying.
Gov. George Pataki, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Rep. James Walsh announced Monday during a joint news conference at Hancock that the air base would be home to 12 Predator unmanned aerial drones. The three confirmed information first reported by The Post-Standard in March that the squadron would be located at the base in Mattydale.
What they would not say was whether the decision would protect Hancock from an upcoming round of base closures. The Defense Department may announce as early as this week which bases are on a list to be closed.
Here are what the politicians and military officials had to say about some of the questions their announcement has raised:
What's coming?
State political and military leaders expect a squadron of a dozen Predators would need about 460 people to operate and maintain the drones. Pataki says that could increase to about 1,000 workers as the mission evolves.
Some of Hancock's current 1,800 to 2,000 employees and Air Guard members could be retrained to support the Predator mission, said Col. Anthony B. Basile, commander of the 174th Fighter Wing based at Hancock. But, officials said the new mission would create some new jobs, too.
How common are these unmanned aircraft?
The new squadron is part of a U.S. Air Force expansion plan to increase the number of Predator squadrons from the three now based in Nevada to as many as 15, Air Force officials said.
The Air Force's three existing Predator squadrons are stationed at Nellis Air Force Base and Indian Springs Auxiliary Air Field in Nevada. There are about 40 predators in those squadrons, a Nellis Air Force Base spokesman said.
Besides placing a Predator squadron in New York, the Air Force plans to assign Predator missions to the Texas and Arizona Air National Guards.
When is this happening?
The equipment for the new squadron isn't expected to arrive in New York until fiscal year 2009, said Lt. Col. Frank Smolinsky, an Air Force spokesman at the Pentagon. Fiscal year 2009 starts Oct. 1, 2008. But all of the support staff must be put in place and trained before the drones arrive.
Does this mean the base won't be shut down?
Pataki called Monday's announcement a homerun for Central New York and also said that the new mission ensures that Hancock will continue to play a significant role in the U.S. Air Force's future for years to come.
However, Pataki, Clinton and Walsh all hedged about the base's future in relation to the current base-closure process.
They will have to wait until Friday when the Defense Department is expected to release its list of bases scheduled to be closed or realigned before they can address that question.
Why choose Hancock?
It makes sense because of its proximity to Fort Drum, military officials said. The Air Guard members at Hancock would be able to train in conjunction with soldiers at Fort Drum, they said.
Pataki said New York's Air Guard assessed the capability of five bases in the state to determine which one would be best able to handle the Predator mission. After that process, it made a recommendation to him that Hancock is most suitable, Pataki said.
What is the economic impact? Officials couldn't say with certainty how many new jobs the new mission would create. Hancock now employs more than 1,800 people with an annual payroll of about $53 million.
About 40 percent of the new Predator jobs will be full-time positions, Pataki said.
Hancock's six aircraft shelters are large enough to hold the Predator drones, Basile said. The base also has several acres of space available around the flight line to construct any buildings needed to support the Predators.
Who is responsible for landing the squadron?
Maj. Gen. Thomas P. Maguire Jr., thanked Pataki, Clinton and Walsh for their efforts in bringing the new mission to Hancock Field.
Maguire, the state's adjutant general, has worked with all three political leaders to advocate for the state's military bases, he said.
Clinton is a member of the Senate's Armed Services Committee. Walsh was recently appointed as the chairman of the subcommittee on Military Life and Veterans Affairs for the House of Representatives.
How does this affect the F-16s?
The 174th Fighter Wing maintains 18 F-16 Falcon fighter jets. The aging jets are being phased out as the Air Force moves to newer jets.
Officials say they are concerned, but they don't know how the new Predator mission will affect the F-16 fighter squadron now based at Hancock. The 30 or so F-16 fighter pilots can be trained to operate the new Predators if called on to do so, Basile said.
Through its 50-plus-year history, the 174th has retrained on new aircraft as the military's needs changed.
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 03:48 PM
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“So, we've made it as difficult for the BRAC commission as possible to say Syracuse isn't going to continue to exist. We could have both missions. We will have the Predator mission. We could have both. We could have both for a period of time. It's really. It's not certain yet,” said Representative James Walsh.
I mean, it would make sense to have both at one base... cut down on overlapping staffing.
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Pataki says basing the Predator squadron at Hancock is a home run for the people of central New York. He says the move will allow the 174th Fighter Wing, a unit in the New York Air National Guard, to play a critical role in the nation's future military operations.
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 04:18 PM
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the other thing that blows my mind... the 174th has been the central wing for the mass and conn a-10 ang units as well (they were supposed to convert to the f-16 back in early 90s, but the dod decided not to retire the hog). Also, the 174th has built its range detachment at fort drum from a couple of shacks and an observation tower to a multi-million dollar facility with a permanent staff of 10 air force and about 20 army guys. (my old man was the c/o of the range in the mid nineties when they were building it up). I've seen and been to other guard bases, they arent as big or as nice as hancock.
it makes no sense to me to close that base, but hey, with hillary as a senator, you know anything from NY is going to get pooped on... |
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