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So hypothetically, let's say we take the F-35 engine and shove it into a F-16 as a engine retrofit. Some how we make it fit and adjust all things necessary on the F-16 frame to allow the F-35 engine to work along with any electronics, etc.

How do you think the F-16 would handle afterwards with all that extra thrust?

F-16C specification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16#Speci ... lock_30.29

F-35's Pratt & Whitney F135 Engine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F135

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*Facepalm*

Seriously you'd have to literally redesign the F-16 in order to fit the larger engine. You wouldn't have an F-16 anymore.

battleshipagincourt wrote:

*Facepalm*

Seriously you'd have to literally redesign the F-16 in order to fit the larger engine. You wouldn't have an F-16 anymore.

Like this?

Ok, it wouldn't take an F135; but what about an F119?

I'm saying expand the body and all the internal parts while keeping the airframe structure the same shape, just larger in proportion.

Hypothetically, let's say it's possible to do that without too much re-engineering to accomadate the F135 engine.

How do you think the new version of the F-16 would perform?

If you are going to shove an F135 in an F-16 - why not shove in two - and really get something happening. No? Even Canada might buy it. Call it the ARROW II. No worries. Send royalties c/o SingSing. Very Happy

Cause if you have 2 engines in a F-16, it wouldn't be a F-16.

The trademark of the F-16 is that it is a single engine multi-role fighter in that shape, if you change the engine count, you have to do alot more redesigning then what was already done.

All the Variants of the F-16 like the F-16XL, F-16 VISTA, F-16 SFW still had the fundamental 1 engine.

This would be the same as the F-16, just F-35 engine strapped into a enlarged F-16 airframe.

I know it won't be exactly the same, but it would look like a F-16, just a tad bigger and have fundamentally the same weapon options with new performance characteristics.

Wouldn't that make for an interesting variant?

=D

The F-16C F110-GE-100 engines has:
- Dry Thrust = 17,155 lbf
- Thrust with afterburner = 28,600 lbf
- Dry weight = 3,920 - 4,400 lb

The F-35's Pratt & Whitney F135 engines has:
- Dry thrust = 28,000 lbf (+ ~63.218%)
- Thrust with afterburner = 43,000 lbf (+ ~50.350%)
- Dry weight = 3,750 lbs (Less Weight by 170 - 650 lb)

I wonder how the new F-16 variant would handle with that much extra thrust and a slight loss of weight in the engine section but a slight gain in body weight.

This could potentially keep the F-16 market alive long past when the F-35 becomes fully mass produced and distributed to all NATO partners =D.

kamenriderblade wrote:

The F-16C F110-GE-100 engines has:
- Dry Thrust = 17,155 lbf
- Thrust with afterburner = 28,600 lbf
- Dry weight = 3,920 - 4,400 lb

The F-35's Pratt & Whitney F135 engines has:
- Dry thrust = 28,000 lbf (+ ~63.218%)
- Thrust with afterburner = 43,000 lbf (+ ~50.350%)
- Dry weight = 3,750 lbs (Less Weight by 170 - 650 lb)

I wonder how the new F-16 variant would handle with that much extra thrust and a slight loss of weight in the engine section but a slight gain in body weight.

This could potentially keep the F-16 market alive long past when the F-35 becomes fully mass produced and distributed to all NATO partners =D.

You failed to notice that the F135 is some 5 inches wider. That may not sound like much to you, but it would mean a huge redesign effort that no one is EVER going to trouble themselves with. And that's not even covering other serious matters like inlet design and other things that only an engineer could tell you about.

Yeah, would the F-16 inlet allow enough airflow for the F135 to perform as advertised?

They have a modular intake for the PW vs GE engines, and went from small mouth to big mouth intakes. They could take the design of the larger Mitsubishi F-2, which probably has the room for the F135, and make a new modular intake. The problem is that it would cost $100m+ and probably wouldn't sell as many as they could with the F-35. If Japan wanted an upgrade of the F-2s, they would have ordered them by now.

You can't really use an F-16 style air inlet with the F-135 engine because of the volume of air required to feed the engine would require an excessively large single air inlet which would ruin the design of the F-16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverterle ... onic_inlet

At least they can tack this on to make the F-16 less complex and more reliable, as far as how much air to feed the engines, well, yeah, not sure how to solve that problem.

=D

As far as costs, I'm saying only upgrade the engine, the base frame, and whatever else they were going to put on the F-16V model.

Make it a F-35 lite effectively, many of the same features minus the whole stealth aspect.

The cost of an F-35 without the value.

What would happen if you shoved a pair of J-58s, an AWG-9, and six AIM-54s into an F-16? Would it still be able to turn as good? Could it go Mach 3? Would you have to make the intake bigger?

Well a less fantastical design would be the XL variant, with a highly uprated F100/110(i.e. 35-37k class). You'd have the extra thrust, and the wings to take advantage. Of course it'd be cost prohibitive, and still not be stealthy, but it'd be an excellent performer.

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