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Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 03:53 PM
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I have a feeling his guarantee won't resonate with a certain bunch of folks who remain stuck in the old paradigm.
http://www.sldinfo.com/the-fifth-genera ... s-machine/
Question: How would explain the difference between the F-35 and the other planes you have flown as well?
Berke: I’ve been asked to explain my experience a lot of times, and I’ve summarized it in a way that I think resonates with a lot of folks. If you took a room full of fighter pilots, and asked them to whiteboard the list of capabilities they would like, what would be the result?
The list would include speed, turning performance, stealth, maneuverability, what have you. But if you could only pick one, if you were limited to picking one characteristic, I would guarantee every fighter pilot in the room would pick is situational awareness. A pilot armed with situational awareness, even if he didn’t have all the other capabilities that he wanted, is absolutely the most survivable and lethal pilot out there.  |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 12:57 AM
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| I've mentioned before, but the F-35 finally delivers the kind of situational awareness that programers have been building into air combat games for decades, simply because, without it, those games are nearly unplayable. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 01:29 AM
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| lol, air combat games are always too easy, as you can see everything on your radar. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 05:28 AM
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I guess that could be a way to look at it. There are just so many ways an F-35 can detect and track something and considering the ultra user-friendly HUD and HMD fighting air battles basically comes down to playing chess in the sky...while the opposing force has no idea there's a board.  |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 05:39 AM
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| I don't think that even US wargames willl satisfy some until after the foreign delivery aircraft start to perform well in non-US wargames that some will start to believe it to be more than an overpriced bomb truck. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 08:24 PM
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| But aside from the sensors themselves, just the software to fuse information, and the big glass cockpit, are the parts relatively easy for competitors to follow up. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 08:26 PM
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| I would actually say the software to properly do all of that is among the hardest things to develop. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 09:21 PM
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megasun wrote:
But aside from the sensors themselves, just the software to fuse information, and the big glass cockpit, are the parts relatively easy for competitors to follow up.
The software has been what is taking the greatest amount of time, to achieve the level of sensor fusion the F-35 will have. No other competitor has spent the time developing such extensive software. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2012 - 09:31 PM
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No other competitor has spent the time
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 05:16 AM
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| That's right, software is the industry that can be built given just time and money, or say, human resources. But other things like engine like materials, etc., aren't. Too many fundamentals are prerequisites, before top level can be achieved, they are what US has kept advantages for a long time. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 04:29 PM
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Think the key is in the integration of the software with the hardware. People take for granted the institutional knowledge built up over the years in this field. For example you just can't take a bunch of programers and a robot and tell them to go paint a car. It takes a lot of trial and error to develop a productive system. Would assume the same is true in aerospace.
Haven't read of software failures in the F-35 like those that took place in the F-22 development. Could it be that L-M learned from that experience and as result have had a smoother more productive program on the F-35? |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 04:46 PM
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| Some production cars have more lines of code than the F-35 will, the difference is the cost can be amortized over a huge fleet of vehicles. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 06:02 PM
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| Hundreds of thousands per year? |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 06:23 PM
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| We must never forget the pilot in all of this. No matter how great the aircraft, it can't fight for itself... yet. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2012 - 07:10 PM
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maus92 wrote:
Some production cars have more lines of code than the F-35 will, the difference is the cost can be amortized over a huge fleet of vehicles.
Which cars would these be exactly? |
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